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Alana Purdy’s Husband ⁂
@tynanpurdy.com

I wonder if atmospheric websites (websites were most or all of their content is natively stored on the AT protocol) would alleviate this because there are so many places to get the content that aren’t just the website

Kuba Suder 🇵🇱🇺🇦@mackuba.eu

If you run a blog, website, other publicly readable web thing: do you have any kind of noticeable LLM scraper bots problem (i.e. ongoing huge number of bot requests that you have to fight with)? If you do, what is it that you run and that they're requesting (and how are you defending)?

garrison
@garrison.corporate.fm

it's better than that, by design atproto alleviates the need to crawl entirely by providing incremental updates as a primitive (relays) this is actually what got me on here, I think it may be the only way to save the web

Grass Toucher Georg
@avengingfem.me

going by vibes mostly bc i am not really technically competent at ATProto, i have nevertheless fully committed to the idea that ATProto is to the 2020s what HTTP was to the 1990s

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Thoth
@thoth.ptnote.dev

It's more like a modern RSS IMHO? It's RSS but instead of syndicating an XML document you syndicate a collection of JSON documents. Relays full the role of PuSH/WebSub. Bluesky is Google reader.

Thoth
@thoth.ptnote.dev

(I think many people struggle to understand atproto because start from the misconception that atproto is a social networking protocol. But atproto does not understand follows or likes or posts. It's a publishing and syndication protocol designed to make it easy to build social things on top of it.)

garrison
@garrison.corporate.fm

yeah, I see the parallels to RSS on technical terms but I would say that atproto's potential impact is closer in scope to the web itself RSS was poisoned by a very unix-like "worse is better" mentality, but thankfully atproto is a hard turn in the opposite direction

Thoth
@thoth.ptnote.dev

What makes you think RSS was poisoned by "worse is better"? Do you mean the move away from RDF? Because if so... RDF was never going to happen and y'all need to get over it.

Josh Dobbin
@joshdobbin.bsky.social

which sounds like hell for a non-wonky tool to make usefully accessible to create feeds,which in turn makes me sad that the attie announcement was met like the LORD OF THE FLIES kids killing Simon or the town chasing down Edward Scissorhands due to kneejerk ANY PLAIN LANGUAGE PROMPT AI IS BAD dogma

garrison
@garrison.corporate.fm

this is pretty much the conclusion I came to, atproto will be the new web but it's not adversarial in the sense that atproto has to defeat the web, I think the open web will just straight up die without atproto or something similar

Grass Toucher Georg
@avengingfem.me

yeah i agree. it's not so much that atproto is fighting http, as that atproto is the thing that will be capable of growing and accommodating user and developer needs over time. it's really more of a new stack layer, nothing is wrong with http, we just need to go up a layer now.