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1) same conditional, not an insta-win (but still exciting/powerful!) 2) harder conditional (scales with adventure difficulty), but insta-win 3) it's champ dependent (e.g. fiora should stay 4 kills, but ryze should stay destroy nexus) 4) abandon these designs and come up with something new

Probably most interested in 1 but would want to see some examples of payoffs in mind, kind of hard from the outside to imagine what you're cooking up that keeps me anywhere near as excited as 'win the game'

my issue with keeping the insta-win is that because the game ends the same way every time, you need to get all of the variety out of meeting the condition. otherwise every game will feel incredibly one note

also balance would be extremely critical: too difficult and you won't even try for it, so the dream is completely lost. too easy and you're back to that one note feeling. that balance has to scale for all adventure difficulties

As you said, what makes them so alluring is how "easy" it is to win with them, there are already very broken champions in LOR (fiddlestick, swain..) that are basically an instawin , and Fiora would not be stronger than them because she needs a lot of mana investment

Mana to protect and defend plus you still need to kill 4, and in higher difficult adventures she might not be able to kill anything... meanwhile you can literally win every turn 1 with fiddlestick, basically the right approach is let the players have fun with different wincons

those champs are more alluring for designers because they are more interesting problems to chew on; i don't think players actually like consistent FTK champs so much as they like quick rewards. also players are smart and would def break current Fiora w/ relics + even the weakest deck/powers

Obviously it’s case by case, but for me the most important thing with LoR champs is always variety in gameplay and flavor. Does Fiora NEED to maintain the “kill four units with her and you win” loop? Probably not! However, I’d also hate for her gameplay to change in a way where her “best case” -

- or best way to play her boils down to another midrange “make your stats big and beat them down” gameplan. I’ve especially had this though with Soraka - as much as I love Star Spring, should it be in her starting deck/be her main wincon? You could easily argue no - but what I think shouldn’t be

argued is making her into another statstick or giving her the same play pattern as Tahm Kench, as opposed to giving her some sort of gameplay loop around healing. I always enjoy finding alt wincon champs as support champs, but I think keeping their differences alive at the end of the day is more