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Daniel Yeo
@dkcy.com

Accountability. That's what underpins professional engineering. You sign off on something, you are responsible for it. It doesn't work, it breaks the law, it kills someone - you are liable.

Jed Brown@jedbrown.org

This remains true: it is not an engineering discipline. It's just deploying shoddy systems in inappropriate contexts, ignorant of (or sometimes reveling in) the externalized harms. What would it take to start doing engineering? Construct validity, adversarial audits, robust governance, and more.

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Jed Brown
@jedbrown.org

Right. A licensed profession with standards of conduct and individual liability.

Jed Brown@jedbrown.org

And professional engineers are licensed, incurring personal liability when signing a blueprint. They carry insurance, similar to doctors, and the liability of the individual engineer persists even after an employer goes out of business or drops their insurance. www.nspe.org/career-growt...