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Two things at play - ClickFix (website asks user to press Windows key + R, run a command) is *incredibly successful*, and just phoning the helpdesk and asking for password reset. The GenAI research stuff being pushed out by security and AI vendors is completely absent in the real world trenches.

Stefano Zanero@raistolo.bsky.social

Cyber insurer (Chatham house forbids me from saying who) at BH CISO summit: “so far this year 0 payouts for claims even remotely connected to a AI-driven breach, 85% of payouts related to social engineering”. Sobering statistic.

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But who’s thinking about the real victims of that fact-based thought process??!!?! Should the investors’ stakes and huge marketing spends mean nothing to us??! (/s)

The big problem with the token based a.i. paradigm is that customers have to pay more tokens for security fixes in each request. This incentivizes rapid releasing of low quality because the customer pays your technical debt.

The interesting bit is neither trick touches an AI model at all. ClickFix works because it's a convincing prompt telling someone to run a command they don't understand, and a helpdesk reset works because verification is still name and DOB. No model needed on either end.

What's happening with GenAI research and Frontier AI(tm) is actively harming cyber defence globally. Lots of orgs and governments have drunk the kool aid and now orgs are unable to defend themselves... from hype from their own vendors.

I lead a team of emerging threat analysts in 3 countries dealing with petabytes of telemetry and real world incidents.. and zero is frontier AI. A slightly better phishing email? Sure. That doesn't drive the incident. Orgs are running around in diapers now with their hair on fire because of hype.

The misaligned incentive is to get you buy new things - tools, processes, consulting - to deal with frontier AI(tm). And for CISOs to secure more budget. That does not lead to better outcomes, when orgs couldn't defend against Advanced Persistent Teenage Ransomware Groups in the first place.

It does not help that people at directly at AI vendors have embedded themselves as CISO leadership advice via Cloud Security Alliance etc. A lot of what is being given to security leaders does not represent reality. At all. The incentives here are totally broken.