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Hot take: Turn on red is actually safer in areas where traffic is low because the real danger is turn on green: 1. Red. Traffic is waiting, and pedestrians aren't crossing 🤷 2. Green, conflicted. People are crossing while cars want to go ❌ 3. Green, no conflict. People cross with no traffic ✅

jimmybot

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The crossing guard here intuitively knows this and waves cars to make the turn on red even though the sign says precisely the opposite. Then the kids can cross safely on green without cars bearing down on them. Notice if we think drivers won't yield properly, it won't matter if we put up NTOR signs.

17/10/26, 2:42 pm0 reposts0 likes

jimmybot

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All the stats say NTOR will basically save zero lives. It is hard to study because most crashes are left turns – 17X more dangerous than right turns – and the vast majority of right turn crashes occur on green lights when drivers don't even have to stop before turning.

jimmybot

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Social media has been really ideological on this. People need to question the lack of sources / better understand statistics of very small numbers. NTOR is a big distraction from all the actual proven effective Vision Zero strategies: lower speeds, narrow lanes, turn calming, protected bike lanes.