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It's here were the argument ends: we disagree on basic principles. The opening quote by @abeba.blacksky.app underlines how we see things versus your assertion that "bodies are machines": We can only presume to build machines like us once we see ourselves as machines first. — Birhane (2022, p. 13)
Her PhD thesis where that is from is here: doi.org/10.48550/arX...
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The assertion that only what is mechanical materialism (ideas like "bodies are machines") is science is dying or slowly and being replaced by other ways of seeing, understanding, and modelling biological organisms — both within the relevant sciences, e.g.
This is why AGI isnt happening. Sense perception, movement, and memory are chemistries coupled to each other and all coupled to direct matter exchange with the environment, like a centrifugal governor. Nothing is representation, interpretation, “info processing”, or math.
as well as within the relevant philosophical literatures, e.g.
I read this over the summer — great work! @kathrynnave.eurosky.social really has some amazing analyses and great points. I really recommend this for anybody who wonders what FEP is within psychology / cognitive science and why many completely ignore it, while others seem to only care about it.
my most relevant work on this is this (where we quote @abeba.blacksky.app up top as I mentioned) as it tackles the repercussion of what can follow from assuming or asserting bodies are machines (= engineered objects)
I've felt for a while that a mainstream method, reverse engineering, in cognitive science & AI is incompatible w computationalism‼️ So I wrote "Modern Alchemy: Neurocognitive Reverse Engineering" w the wonderful Natalia S. & @irisvanrooij.bsky.social to elaborate: philsci-archive.pitt.edu/25289/ 1/n
@irisvanrooij.bsky.social most relevant work is: doi.org/10.1007/s421... which shows that even if we grant mechanical materialism's modern form, i.e. that bodies are computational, it leads to very serious problems with the claims that we can know their computations
In case you prefer watching a video over reading our "Reclaiming AI" paper (preprint available at osf.io/preprints/ps...), here you go 🙂 Enjoy! 🎬🍿 www.youtube.com/watch?v=akuJ...