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l just saw this gay guy say that hookup culture and pride were the reasons why we were going to lose our rights as gay men. How do you know so little of which you speak? How do you not know the history of your community so much that you look at those as the sources of why we will lose our rights.

Those are how we got our rights in the first place. That's where we were organizing. I got to just say this. I think that the whole love Simon media push of the last decade has, in fact, created new problems for the gay community

because I think that what it's done is it has made us fetishize this very particular way of being gay. As a result, a lot of younger gay men look at all the other ways, at all the other lived experiences of gay men and think that, Oh, those were just like, those are parts of a bygone era.

It was the kinksters. It was the fetishists. It was the poly people. It was the sex workers. It was the people on the margin that needed the rights the most.