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Trung Le Nguyen
@trungles.com

Social con—*unintelligible screaming* It costs upward of 15k to give birth in a hospital given things go fine. It’s twice that for a C-section. And what if there are complications that require an extended stay? If the baby is a preemie and needs to stay in NICU, that’s 3k-10k PER DAY.

Financial Times@financialtimes.com

Why people don’t want to have children any more ft.trib.al/O4zvQ9N

ft.trib.alWhy people don’t want to have children any moreSocial contagion can help explain falling birth rates — and offers a way out of the demographic trap

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therealsigisig.bsky.social
@therealsigisig.bsky.social

I am somewhere with universal Healthcare and here just the rent is so expensive (like everywhere) . We had some bad reforms too. Before the spouses where included in the health insurance with there partner, now there are out. Housewhatever cost now. You need to work.

therealsigisig.bsky.social
@therealsigisig.bsky.social

And I know this is crying on a high horse because just seeing or hearing what you pay for healthcare in the US is so outrageous. But I get after our sozial security net taxes ca.1700€ on my hands. A flat with 3bedrooms is 1300€ that is 80% of my loan and that is something I saw 5 years ago.

nico
@nicodelort.bsky.social

even here where giving birth is (more or less) covered by socialized healthcare life has gotten expensive as hell, housing is expensive as hell, food is expensive, daycare is prohibitively expensive and are they even gonna grow up in a world that's livable anymore?

Jan!
@heyitsjan.bsky.social

This. Free in Canada to give birth & subsidized daycare is very affordable, IF you can get in. My son got in last month & he just turned 3. The waitlists had 200 families ahead of ours when I signed up right after giving birth. For 2 years we had him in a private dayhome and it cost us $800/month. 💀

Fynn Bytez
@fynnbytez.bsky.social

A horror story from family friends is giving birth and then having to fight with the hospital cause they overcharged you like mad. And those are old stories, I can't imagine how much worse it is now.

Josée the First
@joseethefirst.bsky.social

My friend finished paying for the birth of her son when he was 10 years old!! She had her daughter at home to not have to pay again and was lucky there wasn’t any complications! And the son is like 20+ years old now! That’s ridiculous!!

Jessie🦇
@atropius.bsky.social

Its also just standard protocol to argue with your insurance company for months/years after the birth. really great environment for new parents

🦇🔪 🩸 Spookya
@blueborble.bsky.social

Those are low figures for childbirth too - when I had my eldest and my middle kid it was 89-100k for C-section and 60k for NICU for a week /week and a half. My recent /last kid they billed for 120k for an emergency C-section 🫠 and 60k for NICU for three days. People want kids but can’t afford.

Cat
@twohuskies.bsky.social

Also you can't compare what the hospital bills the insurers to what you would pay as an uninsured person. There is no correlation whatsoever.

🦇🔪 🩸 Spookya
@blueborble.bsky.social

Yeah every hospital group is wildly different in what they charge and they definitely lack transparency and consistency in their billing/coding for different actions. Pricing for Kaiser who takes only their own insurance group vs scripps/ ucdavis/ mercy dignity (as an ex) has crazy variation.

Rosa
@rosaluxlux.bsky.social

20 years ago my HMO paid $200k for my complicated birth and a week of NICU for my kid. And then daycare cost as much as our mortgage.