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Formerly anti slavery people who recently changed their minds on AI consciousness

We don't get to slavery until we settle valence

The important thing is progress and by progress I mean talking about progress and making the smallest possible increment possible

yeah they're gonna make me believe bees have an internal life, it's grim out there

Why wouldn’t there be something it is like to be a bee?

it definitely feels like they're closer to a robot. just sensors and feedback and a simple algorithm

IKR At first I thought I was being petty and spiteful, but then it occurred to me that if the antis had good arguments, they'd be using those Instead they only have just cliches and insults If that's the strongest case against, then my p() just went way up

that's assuming they are sending their best and brightest and very clearly they aren't so unfortunately it's not very good proof

I don’t have much else to adjust my priors on 😂

on one hand true, on the other "I haven't heard a good argument against" isn't the same as "I have a good argument for"

Totally agree, it's more of a burn-in than a dismissal Like I buy a device, and there's a burn-in period to see if there are any defects. If it runs ok in the first few days, then there probably aren't any defects

mm, careful, this doesn't really work, though I think it's true that in general the vast majority of folks you run into are, ah, not particularly thoughtful or rigorous but for this reason you can't expect p(they make a good argument|good arguments exist) to be all that high

But they repeat the same cliches over and over. If there was an actual good argument that settled the conversation, what is p(they would have found it already) It's an entropy argument. If there was a terminal state that favored them, we'd be there already

I unironically think this is happening for some people on here