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@ryansolid.bsky.social thanks for the discussion on stream today! You asked on stream today to show you a trello or otherwise sufficiently complex app in datastar. Here is that as as well as a few others that opened my eyes a bit, as a former skeptic. kanban.jsonbateman.com

Try slowing down the network and interacting with it and see what happens. No feedback that anything is in flight and if i drag a card and then try to edit another before that is done the entire app freezes. I do think Ryan is genuinely open to be proven wrong here but this isn't it.

For sure! Can you clarify which part isn't it? Not trying to be rude, want to be explicit about what we're agreeing or disagreeing on. The feedback on the kanban board example could be improved, agree. How does a SPA handle the slow network roundtrip better here? Not following that part.

Trello as a demo comes from a challenge by Ryan Florence where he roasted peoples implementations seeing specifically how interacting with them broke in various ways when network was slow. There isn't a clear rule set but not waiting for network on every action feels like table stakes.

data-star.dev/examples/roc... is like people can't be bothered to read docs anymore. Extremely frustrating. You put state in the right place, most of the time that means on the server.

bsky.app/profile/gabb...

No one is disagreeing that source of truth should be server here. That doesn't mean it has to be a sluggish broken mess.

Who is asking for that? Maybe watch my talk?

Who is asking for an app that isn't a broken sluggish mess? Users seem to tolerate a lot these days but I think we can do better.

I'm just trying out the examples shared with me. They are claimed to show datastar can do things while failing spectacularly at doing it.

How exactly are they failing spectacularly?

The sheet regularly fail to synchronize things with no indication to the user that anything went wrong or any recovery. The kanban crashes if you try to do things while other actions are in flight, completely freezing the app.

Many try the guide, official examples, etc?

I trust that your users have read your guides before creating these demos they choose to share with me to show off how good datastar is. Them still failing to build competent apps doesn't inspire confidence that datastar makes building such apps easy.