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daniel holmgren 🫠
@dholms.at

atproto spaces is shaping up! we're getting pretty close to what I expect will be the beta spec. ("beta" meaning in-production on bsky PDSes with real users) however, there's still room to maneuver. if something in the alpha isn't working for you, this is a good time to bring it up!

AT Protocol Developers@atproto.com

The last atproto spaces office hours was a success! Lots of good conversations. We'll be hosting another this Thursday. Come give your thoughts and feedback on the alpha!

atmo.rsvpAtproto Spaces Office HoursThe atproto spaces protocol has been in alpha for close to two months now. Things are shaping up and becoming increasingly mature. Come chat with the protocol team at Bluesky about what's working, what's not working, what you think can be improved, and what you're building! We'll be looking for feedback on a new repo serialization format as well as an updated commit signing scheme. https://meet.google.com/xze-iwwu-php

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daniel holmgren 🫠
@dholms.at

I have a couple things I want to talk about, including: - repo serialization (github.com/bluesky-soci...) - commit signing scheme (I'll post about this on the forum later today) - DID document entries (I'll probably also post about this)

github.com0016: Use STAR files for space repo exports by dholms · Pull Request #114 · bluesky-social/proposalshttps://tangled.org/microcosm.blue/star/blob/main/star-lite/spaces-archive.md Some discussion over here: https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mwc5n4f4gk24
asura
@asura.dev

🎵 a button to hear your prayers an edit button that cares your own private edit button

Blaine
@blaine.bsky.social

The more we've been discussing this and putting into production, the less you're going to want to hear our feedback. 😂 (Don't worry, it'll work, but a healthy dose of yagni would make it better, I think)

Blaine
@blaine.bsky.social

The one thing that's already super annoying that we've already discussed is the fact that now we have multiple synchronization mechanisms for data that is possibly otherwise the same. Strengthens my theory that everything will just move to spaces, rip the firehose.

daniel holmgren 🫠
@dholms.at

yeah i think we're out of the "big changes to the data model" phase and more in the "tightening up mechanisms" phase I do understand the worry you have, but I disagree that this replaces the firehose or public broadcast protocol bryan had a good analysis of that here:

bryan newbold@bnewbold.net

what do atproto spaces mean for decentralization, hosting, moderation, and the public broadcast protocol?

bnewbold.leaflet.pubSpatial AnalysisSome dense protocol theorizing about atproto spaces
Blaine
@blaine.bsky.social

I think it'll just come down to the simple fact that all of our indexers now have two code-paths and two separate sets of semantics to track for data that's arguably "the same."

daniel holmgren 🫠
@dholms.at

we will! we're still in development so the stuff we're writing is largely targeted towards folks that are technical enough to participate in designing the protocol but i totally agree that there's a gap! I also just think showing stuff in action will explain more than words can :)

simonfj.eurosky.social
@simonfj.eurosky.social

Absolutely! And you and all the disparate communities based around this protocol are doing such inspiring stuff. But this is a journey, and we want to take more non-geeks on it. Otherwise, what's the point?

simonfj.eurosky.social
@simonfj.eurosky.social

Forgive me daniel. "... "beta" meaning in-production on bsky PDSes...." I'm sure you meant "... on Atmosphere PDSes ....." (Things are starting to happen on the other side of the Atlantic)🙄

daniel holmgren 🫠
@dholms.at

well it's already in prod on atmosphere PDSes! i actually did mean "on bsky PDSes" because that is the lever we have at bluesky to support rollout second part could have been said better "& encouraged use by real users". obvs did not mean to imply bsky PDSes are the only ones with real users