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[1/3] Read your thread and I, mostly, agree. I think capitalism and capitalists, in theory and at times in practice, prefer a stable market environment provided by democratic liberalism. This is particularly true of your regular, everyday capitalist (moms and pops, urban and suburban citizen, etc.)

[2/3] At the same time, and this is something we’ve seen in the US, market players (i.e. capitalists of all stripes: financiers, venture capitalists, university administrators) are overly focused on short-term gains.

[3/3] This, along with the assumption that fascists are rational (in the capitalist sense) actors, provides time and space for fascists to bulldoze.

First, if you talk to your average liberal, they fucking hate Trump and are explicit that he is a fascist and that's what they don't like. A lot of them are also lukewarm at best about capitalism tbh, but even if they love capitalism, no, mostly they are not siding with Trump and Elon over us.

But it's also a misapprehension of capitalism and fascism. Capitalists want the economy to be capitalist because they think it's more efficient and produces better outcomes. I think they're wrong, but that's an economics debate you can have. Fascism, though, is about *power*.

But liberals are cringe and annoying and like charts and stuff. That's basically the same as fascism.

I think this type of critique of Liberals would probably only apply to THE mega rich capitalists while plenty of the regular ol Liberals are much more reliable. Trust Bill Gates? Ehhhhhh Trust Johnny Joe that felt Haley Stevens was best for Michigan? Probably still going to vote against Fascism.