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when people talk about the massive failure of RTD2 doctor who the one heavily criticised decision that i will defend is opening on space babies. the show is for children and i think its good for the writers to actually remember that. the problem is the episode is terrible but lol you cant win em all

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Two objections: 1.) You could argue that the first couple of seasons of Hartnell's run was "for children," since its intent was history education, but quickly moved beyond that scope. Many of the children at that time are now dead. The insistence that DW is for children is spurious, hilarious even.

2.) Children don't care for forcible inclusion of children in their media. We've understood this for generations yet programmers insist that they must have children in children's media or else it isn't relatable. Children aren't so stupid that they require a carbon copy of themselves to relate to.

It wasn't as bad as those goblins! But yes, sometimes I have to remind my myself it's a children's show. And when that doesn't work there's always rule 1. 😁

reading this tweet like: who let an astromech droid go to medical school? he has no bedside manner!

I won't knock this, but we COULD have a serious live action Dr. Who, but we see time and time again we don't really want nice things. That, and the rise of Trumpism has made the media climate that could host something like Dr. Who directly antithetical to its values.

i remember enjoying space babies, but i don't remember anything else about space babies, up to and including what the basic premise of the plot was beyond the phrase "space babies"

if viewing demographics have changed to the point where family tv primarily for kids is unfeasible and you have to target your hardcore online fanbase of 30-60 year olds i think it's fine to just not make it anymore. lord knows the world does not need doctor who in it

i disagree that the world does not need doctor who in it. I think it needs good doctor who in it, like it needs good trek and good star wars. bt our systems for mkaing those things have eroded along with everything else.

Problem is, it was trying to do both. Its seasonal big bads were these classic era villains, the Toymaker, Sutekh, Rani and Omega. But they did Omega and Sutekh so poorly that NONE of the classic era fans liked his inclusion

The Sutekh reveal was so awful. Series 14 was building up The Doctor's granddaughter Susan, so it felt like that would be the big thing for the finale, then they just namedropped Sutekh like the viewer was supposed to know who that is

He's trying to capture the Master reveal from series 3. But it lacks the same weight. It doesnt have three years of "The Doctor is the last Time Lord" building into it. You didnt need to be hyped because it was the Master. You could be hyped because you finally get to see another Time Lord.

Genuinely don't think there is much more interesting that can be done with Who that hasn't already been done while fitting in the box the BBC wants for it. Let it be done, it's fine.

I don't know if this is as much a demographics problem as it is an overall quality problem, I think a doctor who aimed at a slightly more mature audience (late teens to adults) has the chance to be successful, it just hasn't actually been attempted in anything more then the most half assed way,

The biggest issue I think DW faces nowadays is that it's trying to balance itself between hard core diehards, kids who don't actually watch television anymore and general audiences, and it fails to really properly appeal to any of those, the other issue is that the show has generally been pretty...

Inconsistent in episode to episode quality, ever since late moffat, which would be about a decade ago, I don't think many shows can survive can survive essentially a decade or so of being consistently middling to shit with very occasional bright spots, especially in a modern media environment.

comparing space babies to rose is truly one of the most coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb contests of all time what happened russ

still incredible they wrote a needle drop directly into the plot they weren’t able to actually nail the rights to and had to rewrite around it, greatest show in da world baybeeeeeeee