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correct. Finland driving culture is incredibly easy and safe because of the ubiquitous speed cameras (and well designed streets) heatmap.news/politics/hel...

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Boo!-per Lund@cooperlund.online

Driving a car is incredibly dangerous, it should be one of the most regulated experiences on earth, and it is very upsetting to watch people who correctly don’t trust the cops turn against automated enforcement because the alternative is relying on a cop’s judgement to enforce the laws.

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I mean, alternatively we could drive reasonably safe passenger cars instead of basically trucks with bucket seats that are much larger than most people need or have the skill to drive safely, instead of a surveillance state that will predictably be used in all kinds of nefarious ways :-)

I really need people to understand that in the United States, tickets and fines are proxies for incarceration. The poor (especially in the bulk of the country where there’s virtually no public transport) must drive, can’t pay fines, and end up incarcerated (and evicted , etc.) because of tickets.

if you design the speed camera properly approximately nobody will pay the fine. this has been largely the experience in New York City with red light cameras

There’s a speed camera like a mile from where I live. when we first moved in my wife and I both got tickets within a month and it fundamentally changed our driving behavior. The system works!

"[The duty of government is] that of protecting, as far as possible, every member of the society from the injustice or oppression of every other member of it.” - Adam Smith

I don’t think it’s bad per se, the UK has an extensive automatic number plate recognition camera network, which helps solve a lot of serious crime. Perhaps it’s just the way America does it?

I think the core issue is: how do we remove the cops from implementation and enforcement? These companies could have made the safe, effective version of this tech, but they didn't because empowering cops was the path to rapid, widespread adoption. And cops will be obstacles to a good alternative.

This isn’t even to say we shouldn’t use them, as someone who nearly gets run over on a regular basis I would like for my city to install them, but I don’t see treating them like a necessity over the objections of people who are being terrorized by fascists as a strategy likely to succeed

One thing that makes the US not Finland is we have 50 different sets of laws on driving and things like speed cameras and school zones. Plus many local variants. I drove through several speed camera areas in RI yesterday and even at slow speed I could not read all the signs fast enough.

I'm for speed cameras, but US policing is undermining support by their actions. Schools around here routinely leave their speed zone lights flashing (15mph) at all hours and days, when schools are obviously closed and nobody is around. So you can slow to 15mph and get rear-ended.

From my understanding, school zone lights are handled by cities, and the schools mostly just tell them what the hours should be. So cities don't turn them off because of laziness or potentially schools not telling cities to do so, especially for shorter breaks

My objection is it undermines actual enforcement when it's needed when the kids are there. Around here they are routinely flashing at the wrong times, and often not flashing when they should be. Plus the signs are just gobbledygook. Just make the speed limit something like 20mph all the time!