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I feel like I am on a different planet from people who worry about individuals losing their jobs with transit automation. Doesn’t it almost always happen through attrition? Chicago going down to OPTO on the L, Paris automating the Métro – did anybody lose their job?

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Yes, the fact that displaced operators in Norway wouldn't suffer is the point. They have a strong social safety network to ensure they aren't left behind. We can't complain about individuals with antisocial behavior in the US when we have a hostile system and then add to their ranks through AVs

So why do they resist it, even when it involves pay raises for workers who haven’t yet retired (as the MTA pays for OPTO)? My theory is that the union is screwing its members and looking out for its employees – they spread conspiracy theories to preserve total dues to preserve their own jobs

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Few things Americans love more than to pull up the ladder behind them and be told that It’s Good to do so. But here, it’s actually good on the merits!

What's could be more a case of pulling the ladder up behind you than using overseas labor to claim you've created an "automated vehicle" which lets you fire workers en masse? This isn't automation, it's offshoring.

I thought this tumor of a thread grew out of a discussion of a potential ban on AV buses in Philadelphia. Remote "intervention" to solve problems created by the automated system enables offshoring of jobs.

What's the way that I can put this... If you're a conductor that loves their job at Canarsie, OPTO on the L means you're now forced to pick another terminal which may be less convenient and pay less. If you're a train operator, your job is now worse, especially if you hated OPTO.

If you work on another line, you're now fearing OPTO coming to your line, or more senior crews bumping you from your run. And the raises promised wouldn't equate to "railroad" (or NYPD) money which the employees feel that they're entitled to in order to feel middle class.

And FWIW, a lot of employees *beg* their relatives and friends to take NYCTA's civil service exams. The easiest position for many of them is either conductor or cleaner... OPTO means less jobs for the *future*.

Or maybe it’s about keeping contributions from current members up for pensions/healthcare in retirement? If so, yet another reason why backloaded public sector compensation is so fucked up