John Berry

John Berry

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NHTSA closed their year+ investigation of Waymo. Waymo's 2 recalls re to this investigation were for crashing into a utility pole and roadway barriers. Evidently, robots repeatedly driving on the wrong side of the road into traffic and disobeying traffic control devices is ok in USA. Scale that.

Now that Tesla's cybercab production line makes more robots without adequate software than Waymo's Magna production line does, a classic SV boys w toys 'my cost structure is bigger than yours' battle has erupted. As both robot fleets lose money, they are fighting over who can lose more or faster.

A similar battle was going on in 2023 between Waymo and GM Cruise. Cruise was esp keen to claim they were ahead by count of cities where they PLANNED to operate, ie Potemkin as a metric. Cruise only launched in 3 of their 15 planned metros. GM lost >$10 Billion and has never resumed driverless ops.

They are in the safety walker stage (pic1), prob won't make it to the remote walker (telop) stage. These Chinese robot dogs and related should come under San Francisco's 2017 law (pic2) that is the only reason SF hasn't been inundated w sidewalk robots, or SFBOS should update the law to make it so.

Kashmir Hill@kashhill.bsky.social

A friend in SF was out walking his dog and saw someone else walking a robot dog. He sent me the video. The other guy was a paid robot dog walker. I had SO many questions so I investigated: www.nytimes.com/2026/10/27/t...

The big declines are from bad incidents, the smaller bumps up are from Waymo marketing campaigns. The downward trend reflects how the reality falls short of promises. Politicians and regulators decide whether, where, and how AVs operate and they are much more amenable to Waymo's $$$$$$ persuasion.

David Zipper@davidzipper.bsky.social

YouGov finds that more Americans have heard about Waymo, but the company’s reputation is net negative. “The data suggests that growing familiarity is not necessarily translating into more favourable perceptions of the brand.” yougov.com/en-us/articl...

Yes, though the key is none of this is going to happen and ppl are just wasting time dreaming about it. Robots are so bad around school buses that Waymo had to make their's stop and wait for a human to help them just drive by. Also, transit needs to be reliable, not shutdown for rain, snow, etc.

Jarrett Walker@humantransit.bsky.social

If I were trying to get people comfortable with riding buses with no adult employee on board, I'm not sure I'd start with school buses. The hand-waving here is not enough to comfort me given the obvious "Lord of the Flies" scenarios. open.substack.com/pub/changing...

A pair of Waymo robots doing what they do best: Petersen Automotive Museum, Orange Grove Ave, Los Angeles Notice the 5th gen robot stopped for no good/apparent reason next to the truck while the 6th gen robot backed up straight instead of turning slightly to max space. OP: tiktok._victoriajayne_

Waymo blocked the N-Judah again, at/in the: Carl & Cole Station, Cole Valley, San Francisco Waymo did it a few blocks down Carl St last month, at least once more since, and many other times over years. ~100 yr old Sunset tunnel behind the train and latest Waymo robot ahead. OP: tiktok.anuayyala

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Another view of a Waymo robot blocking trains at the Cole Valley station. "was stuck there 20 minutes" OP: tiktok.quintana_roo2 AVs have been blocking trains in Cole Valley for >4 yrs. All states w AV laws give Waymo and other ADS/AV companies a perverse incentive to do this, so they often do.

This 2022 GM Cruise block of the N-Judah in Cole Valley was in SFMTA's letter to CPUC objecting to Cruise's key request to expand their operation. SFMTA wanted more regulation and reporting, which CPUC ignored at the time but ~adopted yrs later after the Cruise debacle they v much allowed to happen.

I'm only posting 1 in 5 or 10 of the videos of Zoox robots stuck for no good/apparent reason in the middle of Las Vegas Blvd bc there are too many and too boring. The idea Zoox has something that's gonna scale beyond areas well-served by tow trucks is not reasonable. OP: tiktok.getiturself34

A Kelvin wave brought the tide inland stopping Waymo robot(s): Pacific Beach, San Diego Notice this was drivable, unless the driver is The Waymo Driver. Not sure how many robots are in this video, but all ~5k or so Waymo robots wouldn't have made it. Gonna be a long El Nino. OP: tiktok.kcalfred

All FMVSS complaint vehicles can also be left directly unsupervised in a geofence and on average they are ~95% of the time, ie same as Waymo per their co-CEO. There's no SAE ODD language spec or similar to match their AV functional spec (J3016) and no minimum domain required in theory or practice.

e.w. niedermeyer@niedermeyer.online

I mean they can be left directly unsupervised in a geofence, Waymo has ~4k such vehicles on the road right now, but there is still remote oversight and occasional remote guidance and intervention for customer service stuf... no robot ever has had zero humans in the loop over its product life

icymi, video begins (pic1) as a Waymo robot forces 3 drivers to back up, 1 robot & 2 human. It ended (pic2) w the ~7 ft wide Waymo robot given >11 ft between a Zoox on left and parked cars on the right, but having driven toward the Zoox instead of bearing right into this space & back into its lane.

John Berry@aniccia.bsky.social

Apparently, a Waymo robot drove around a stopped ~half in lane Tesla robot to bully a Zoox robot that prob had the right of way to back up: Gibson by Congress, Austin, TX All 3 cos have telops, but did any engage? AV advocates say the best solution is more robots. OP: reddit.CautiousMagazine3591

I advise doing what the human drivers did, give the robots as much room as possible and preserve your exit route(s) from them. Never know when more robots will show up behind you sealing you in or trying to bully their way through or a combination. Outer edge of a roboclot is better than middle.

"It's gone forward and back about five times" OP: tiktok.angiewanders2, San Diego Waymo never fixed their looping bug. They seem to get stuck looping forward and back about as often as they get stuck going in circles.

Yet another (152+) Wrong Way Waymo w passenger(s) and in the lt rail only tracks/ROW: Flower St at Venice Blvd, Los Angeles It stopped facing a not legally drivable space and facing the wrong way. Then LAPD appeared to talk w a telop who prob got it to back up and turn. OP: tiktok.usashow365

Apparently, a Waymo robot drove around a stopped ~half in lane Tesla robot to bully a Zoox robot that prob had the right of way to back up: Gibson by Congress, Austin, TX All 3 cos have telops, but did any engage? AV advocates say the best solution is more robots. OP: reddit.CautiousMagazine3591

While this video is novel bc 3 flavors of inept robots, there are many weirder videos and of more dangerous/unsafe robot driving that only involve Waymo robots struggling to pass each other on narrowish streets, eg they endangering 7 pedestrians in this one: bsky.app/profile/anic...

John Berry@aniccia.bsky.social

"cars were just holding down their horns because Waymo was holding up the street for 3 minutes. Sped up...7x...Am I the only one tired of Waymo clogging up narrow streets of San Francisco? They really need to start utilizing bigger roads than the narrow backroads." OP: tiktok.true.wrong

"And they say Waymo is a safer mode of transportation. Pulls out in front of an emergency vehicle again in Austin" OP: tiktok.redneck_tx "Texas Lawman" Waymo has repeatedly done this stop for the sirens and then go when it detects the emergency vehicle slow as it approaches the intersection.

A better view of this Waymo behavior. Waymo upgraded their I-Pace robot microphones for sirens after SFFD complaints, but well before these incidents. This seems to have begun after/when Waymo purposely made their robots more "aggressive," same as passing school buses. bsky.app/profile/anic...

John Berry@aniccia.bsky.social

A Waymo robot impeded LA County Firetruck 172, despite sirens: Centinela Ave at La Brea Ave, Inglewood, California Not sure how much more evidence regulators or anyone else should need to realize these robots do not have sufficient situational awareness and that it is a glaring & dangerous defect.

Guess who/what was in the middle of this: Congress and Douglas, Dallas, Texas We've long been told robots would solve these. Instead, they (Waymo, Zoox, GM Cruise) precipitate traffic jams way out of proportion to their share of driving/VMT/PMT. OP: tiktok.saman.standard

"Another mf Waymo is trying to drive down an alleyway and into a crowd of people at Milk Bar @Waymo @9NEWS" OP: x.Whoopass_AGoGo, In Denver, city of unnamed robots stuck in unnamed alleys, ie the future. never take a robot to

IDK how many pumpkin wrapped robots Waymo has in Denver, but enough to start a highlight reel. The yellow exclamation sign on the robot's top lidar before it backed up indicates it detected a problem. IDK how long it was there or if a telop engaged. OP: tiktok.trini.somu

Waymo blocked the N-Judah again, at/in the: Carl & Cole Station, Cole Valley, San Francisco Waymo did it a few blocks down Carl St last month, at least once more since, and many other times over years. ~100 yr old Sunset tunnel behind the train and latest Waymo robot ahead. OP: tiktok.anuayyala

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In 2022, SF gov gave NHTSA an accounting of GM Cruise impacts, inc many good/ignored recommendations (pdf at link): - detailed AV/ADS failed in traffic lanes - illegal pickup/dropoffs - Cruise's Critical Response Line failed to answer calls from SF 911 dispatchers regmedia.co.uk/2022/09/26/l...

San Francisco's top recommendation 4 years ago: "NHTSA should launch a rulemaking proceeding to prescribe minimum standards for performance of all automated driving systems operating on public roads whether or not the vehicles have human driver controls." which NHTSA still should but hasn't.

Waymo blocked the N-Judah again, at/in the: Carl & Cole Station, Cole Valley, San Francisco Waymo did it a few blocks down Carl St last month, at least once more since, and many other times over years. ~100 yr old Sunset tunnel behind the train and latest Waymo robot ahead. OP: tiktok.anuayyala

This was the one on Carl in September. GM Cruise also blocked N-Judah at Carl & Cole. They had to send someone to drive it away. Robots without safety drivers = blocked transit. IDK of a public accounting of Waymo's transit impacts in San Francisco or anywhere else. bsky.app/profile/anic...

John Berry@aniccia.bsky.social

IDK if this is the most transit riders blocked by one robot, but it is a contender. Safety driver fixes this in seconds, but The Waymo Driver has been too good to need them since October 2018, according to California DMV. OP: x.cammakingminds

A Waymo robot got stuck in another famous intersection: Castro & Market, San Francisco I was in the no turn lane. Maybe it stopped for a pedestrian in the far crosswalk and then the light changed. It kinda had to "know" it was in the intersection to get there. OP: reddit.robynmusiclove

May've found a Waymo door-related edge case: "We were picked up by a Waymo van around 3:00 AM. As it started driving, we approached a man walking right in the middle of the street, and the vehicle came to a stop. Suddenly, the Waymo's doors unlocked and opened automatically as the guy approached."

The lead VC investor in Waabi (AV trucking) calling closing a door an "edge case" epitomizes much of the current AV & AI break metaphors faster than you don't thoroughly fix things culture: Alabama St at 19th St, San Francisco Investors (esp VCs) lose "bullish" two ways, gradually then

She should know this isn't a new or infrequent Waymo problem given >year of news stories about it as well as plentiful recent videos of these 6th gen Waymo Zeekr robots stuck w open doors. Most like her's just show it stuck by itself, but some show more consequences, eg days ago: OP: tiktok.rockbga

A long time ago on the Tonight Show, Johnny Carson asked Conrad Hilton if there was one thing he wanted to tell ppl. Hilton looked right into the camera and said “When you take a shower at one of my hotels, please place the shower curtain INSIDE the bathtub.” It was Hilton's standard 'one thing.'

"Bailey Koch-Farwana, a [Service Employees International Union Local 1] spokesperson, said that according to their economic analysis, every AV that hits the road replaces four human drivers. This is because AVs can operate 24/7 and do not need breaks." Only in dreams. Waymo robots ave ~12 hrs/day.

fwiw, before Waymo completely redacted/hid their per trip data which included VIN in their quarterly CPUC reports, it showed they experimented w higher utilization for a quarter or two. It did not go well and I've never seen any signs of them trying to push it again at a scale that would matter.

What is coming for their jobs are Waymo's data centers which are the real "brains" where all the "learning" happens and they do operate continuously. In those data centers, Waymo simulates about as much VMT as is driven in the USA, per the Waymo VP in charge of their robot sw.

IDK much about DC's Waymo debate, but this seems reasonable. I'd suspected DC historically had an abundance of cheap taxis to keep their abundance of drunk Congressmen out of the news, but didn't know DC had 9k taxis 30 years ago. SF had ~1.5k for more ppl pre-Uber. dc.citycast.fm/opinion/dc-i...

dc.citycast.fmD.C. Is Having the Wrong Debate About Waymo · City Cast DCWe think it's about safety, jobs and innovation. But our city is just part of a national battle over money.

Another Waymo robot failed poorly, ie also failed to pull to the curb or stop/MRC within its lane: Platt St Bridge,Tampa, Florida OP: x.LwilliamsonLaw

Prob took Waymo >20 min to clear their robot. The location was ~mile from Waymo's main and best staffed SF depot, so ~walking speed time to repair. This kind of incident should be regulated to the level of near prohibition, imo, but few regulators require reporting. Over trust and don't verify.

Cortland, like 24th St in Noe Valley, has one non-parking lane each way and is the main neighborhood business street. In case anyone is wondering how one failed robot could block the whole street & buses going both ways, a Waymo robot did that on 24th St in Noe yesterday: bsky.app/profile/theo...

The Overhead Wire@theoverheadwire.com

Today in Empty Waymo Blocking a Bus full of people.

I can't use any of their data bc of what they left out, but given the interest in this and the size of the data haystack they dumped, some will. As long as Waymo spends more just on remedial "driver training" than their revenue these studies are like comparing apple blossoms w orange juice.

Another Waymo robot stopped for a puddle and then backed up, which seems to be a new/recent tactic. No way to know if it then went forward on its own or with/by telop. OP: tiktok.player.7759, prob Miami area