Wenting

Wenting

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ALSO you just need a screwdriver to take it apart. It's not glued down. This is how it looks like without the chassis: (this is a prototype, production units wonโ€™t have bodge wires). I have also added a MicroSD card slot and through-hole JTAG connector onto the board, to make it more hacker-friendly

Does anyone know anything about this? It says its "Apple iPort", "Designed by HWTE in Shanghai", featuring a Micro USB port, 2 USB-C ports, and a 4.2" Eink screen. It doesn't function properly as a USB-C cable tester between its 2 ports, and I have no other idea on how to use it.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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Eink is much slower, typically requiring 100ms+ for it to fully change color. The presence of TFT (+capacitor) ensures the pixel keeps getting driven even when the line is not currently being scanned. If without, a 320x240 panel would take 0.1*240=24 seconds to update!

So at least on this level, due to the lack of the TFT, the LPD could potentially be much cheaper than the Eink. This is my adventure with the screen so far. Still not sure what I want to do with the screen, let me know if you have any ideas. In any case, thanks for reading!

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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According to the paper, the LPD screen shouldn't respond to the 40V voltage. (Though based on my tests it still does. The threshold is more like 20V rather than 40V). But the important thing is it could withstand non-zero OFF voltage. Eink starts to respond at even 0.1V.

Another characteristic making it possible to drive without TFT is it's fast. As fast as 0.2ms from black to white. Without TFT, the pixel is only driven when the line is scanned. With a 0.2ms line time, a 320x240 panel takes a quite reasonable 0.2*240=48 ms to update

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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But TFTs are expensive. The cost is okay for mass-produced screens (like >10K pcs per month), but prohibitive for smaller quantities. This is where LPD shines, it doesn't require TFT because it has a threshold: it doesn't respond to low voltages.

Taking the driving waveform from the paper, up to +/-40V are applied to non-selected pixels (pixels that shouldn't change color during the scan). This is what happens when the screen doesn't have TFT: pixels cannot be fully turned OFF, there is always a voltage on the pixel.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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I realized I forgot to mention the advantage it has over Eink: it doesn't require TFT. TFT screens add tiny transistors under each pixel, so they can be switched ON/ OFF in a matrix without having to worry about issues like ON/ OFF voltage ratio like what I just discussed.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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This is basically what I have got with this screen so far. If possible I would still love to see how the screen should look like. I am not confident about if the poor contrast is due to the age of the screen, my bad code, wrong voltage, or combination of these things.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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I can reduce the voltage to say, 60V/30V, this reduces the non-selected pixel voltage down to 30V, but also reduces the selected pixel voltage down to 60V. There are some limited improvements by doing so.

What I ended up realizing is, there is no requirement that I have to provide two STV7733 with the same voltage. By giving the H/V different voltages (specifically 60V/40V/20V), the voltage on the non-selected pixels are reduced to 20V while keeping the 60V for selected pixels.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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The paper mentioned it's possible to do greyscale on the screen, so I tried that as well. It works by not driving the pixel all the way. I tried only up to 8 levels of greyscale. I think higher is possible, but with the poor contrast, it won't make too much of a difference.

Unless there is a way to improve the contrast... The main reason for the contrast loss is the from the non-selected voltage I mentioned previously: Pixels that shouldn't be driven are still subject to a 40V voltage difference. This is more than enough to get the pixels moving

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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The paper comes to the rescue again, it provides a basic driving scheme. Just like on an LED matrix, only one line is selected at a time, and the segments are set based on the pixel of that line. Unlike LED, the LPD responds to both positive and negative voltage

This means other than the selected line, we also need to consider pixels on the none selected line. In this scheme, still assuming the 80V and 40V driving voltage, the selected pixel would see a 80V voltage, while the non-selected pixel would still see a 40V voltage.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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With the pinout I can finally design the board. Here is what I got. It has got 2 boost converters to generate the 40V and 80V needed for driving the screen (at least the paper says these two voltages), and a RP2040 for generate all the timings.

On to the software. The STV7733 used on this screen is essentially a giant high voltage shift register. It does nothing other than outputting a lot of specified voltages. So driving it actually requires synthesizing the driving waveform by the MCU.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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Even better, ST still has the datasheet publicly available on their website. The bad part is, the datasheet is for the gold bumped chip only, not the COF. So I still don't know the pinout of the COF on the screen.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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To drive the screen, I will need to know the pinout of the thing. Luckily, COF chips usually have their model number marked on them somewhere. This one is of no exception:

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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It's based one a new material, which they call it the liquid powder. It's a powder but acts like liquid. In their paper, they showed pouring the powder onto a table. The ordinary powder piled up, while their liquid powder doesn't (which is more like liquid than powder)

The charged powder with different colors can be sealed into small grids (pixels), and then drove by electric field. Quite similar to Eink. One major difference is that the Eink only works with TFT while this one doesn't quite need TFT.

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

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I bought it thinking it's probably just another weird LCD. But when I got it, I immediately knew this has to be something else. It reflects light diffusely like Eink or paper (unlike LCD which is more like specular reflection). It also has a special grainy looking to it:

After a tons of searching online, I learned this neither LCD nor Eink, it's called the Liquid Powder Display (LPD). It was a display technology co developed by Kyushu University and Bridgestone (yes, that tire company).

Have you ever heard about a type of screen called the *liquid powder display*? I didn't until I saw one of those on sale: (Item title says: Brand new Japan imported screen with original packaging and tray, new old stock, no datasheet available, price is 2 CNY each, or about 0.3 USD)

But upon closer inspection, this simply couldn't be a memory LCD (which has TFT). It has 2 COF (chip-on-flex) driver ICs bonded to 2 sides of the screen (upper and lower glass panel). Likely one for X scanning and the other for Y, on two glasses. TFT screens have both scan lines on the same glass.

Finally wrote my own clone of the Image2Lcd. It's a software for preparing/ converting for use on embedded displays (like small 12864 LCD panels or Eink panels and such). I added a bunch of features missing from the original Image2Lcd such as dithering, bulk processing, and text/ font conversion

One can also do pretty much all the processing in GIMP as well, with way more features. This tool probably just makes it a bit more streamlined with all the necessary operations applied by default and has control in one place (sort of like Darktable in this sense)

After a little over 2.5 years, today is my last day at Zero ASIC corporation as a digital IC designer. It has been a rewarding and fun journey. It is my pleasure to work with and learn from my wonderful coworkers. Starting from next year, I will be working on my personal projects full time!

Hello bsky, anyone want these? Moving out so I need to get rid of them soon. A bunch of vintage computers, RISC workstations and such, for free! Local pick up in Quincy Massachusetts only. Let me know if you are interested! Also if you know someone who might be interested, let them know!