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At CEO 2025, Justin Wong entered CvS2 with a Ratio 4 C-Sagat. He went all the way to Grand Finals Reset but couldn't quite beat Bas in the end. Ratio 4 play is kind of a meme in CvS2. But what's the actual math? This pic represents what Bas was basically facing at the start of each game.🧵 1/14

13/ And it fell just short! Congrats to Justin on his ~content~ and to Bas for thankfully winning CEO and not setting back CvS2 tournament meta 20 years (*nervous laughter*). I hope you enjoyed this terribly deep dive into CvS2! We'll see you at Evo 2025 for more CvS2 tournament action!

At CEO 2025, Justin Wong entered CvS2 with a Ratio 4 C-Sagat. He went all the way to Grand Finals Reset but couldn't quite beat Bas in the end. Ratio 4 play is kind of a meme in CvS2. But what's the actual math? This pic represents what Bas was basically facing at the start of each game.🧵 1/14

11/ Understanding all of this, you can see why Justin was still patient and selective in many of his last matches at CEO, even in the games where he wiped out Bas's R1 Yama. The Ratio 4 advantage in CvS2 is not that good of one, actually, especially against elite level competition.

At CEO 2025, Justin Wong entered CvS2 with a Ratio 4 C-Sagat. He went all the way to Grand Finals Reset but couldn't quite beat Bas in the end. Ratio 4 play is kind of a meme in CvS2. But what's the actual math? This pic represents what Bas was basically facing at the start of each game.🧵 1/14

9/ While the Ratio 4 character can kill an R1 pretty easily, they have to be careful not to take too much damage along the way. If they do, the R2 anchor character in the last round will often be ahead—at least according to the math)—neutering the R4's advantage over the R1s and the team as a whole.

At CEO 2025, Justin Wong entered CvS2 with a Ratio 4 C-Sagat. He went all the way to Grand Finals Reset but couldn't quite beat Bas in the end. Ratio 4 play is kind of a meme in CvS2. But what's the actual math? This pic represents what Bas was basically facing at the start of each game.🧵 1/14

7/ Consider the first image above, showing the daunting difference between a Ratio 4 & Ratio 1. But that only shows what the R1 has to do to OCV the R4. (Which Bas did in a game!) When you rescale it to show what an R1 has to do break even for the team as a whole, things look different!

At CEO 2025, Justin Wong entered CvS2 with a Ratio 4 C-Sagat. He went all the way to Grand Finals Reset but couldn't quite beat Bas in the end. Ratio 4 play is kind of a meme in CvS2. But what's the actual math? This pic represents what Bas was basically facing at the start of each game.🧵 1/14

5/ R2 Blanka has 14800 raw HP, the equivalent of 11385 HP vs. an Ratio 4 Sagat if both had the same (R2) attack power. A Ratio 4 Sagat has 20720 HP. If equal at 11385 HP, he would have 55% health. This means the two R1s would collectively need to take off 45% health from R4 Sagat, or 22.5% each.

At CEO 2025, Justin Wong entered CvS2 with a Ratio 4 C-Sagat. He went all the way to Grand Finals Reset but couldn't quite beat Bas in the end. Ratio 4 play is kind of a meme in CvS2. But what's the actual math? This pic represents what Bas was basically facing at the start of each game.🧵 1/14

3/ You can see how cautious an R1 needs to be against an R4. One wrong step can & will delete them with very little damage done against the R4. But how much damage do two R1s need to do to be effective in this scenario, particularly w/an R2 (for Bas, Blanka) anchoring the team?

At CEO 2025, Justin Wong entered CvS2 with a Ratio 4 C-Sagat. He went all the way to Grand Finals Reset but couldn't quite beat Bas in the end. Ratio 4 play is kind of a meme in CvS2. But what's the actual math? This pic represents what Bas was basically facing at the start of each game.🧵 1/14

I failed to realize that the Thank You/Share Links page at the end of the CvS2 Community Survey was not enabled, instead dumping everyone who took it (thank you!) to a generic "survey complete" page. Got 425 responses on it, which is fine, but I was expecting 1K+ at the minimum.

If it's a bad idea for a good cause, is it still a bad idea? Join me TONIGHT at midnight PDT and all of Saturday May 16 as I play CvS2 on Capcom Fighting Collection 2 for 24 HOURS in support of the CvS2 Community Survey. Fill it out while you watch! tinyurl.com/cvs2survey2025 twitch.tv/windyman

Found this out on Max's CFC2 stream tonight: In CvS2 Versus Mode, you are NOT able to change character order between games. You can quick-select previously chosen characters, but it jumps immediately into the game after. This is a serious omission! youtube.com/clip/Ugkx6eG...

10000% this. Imagine all the PC ports, QoL features (quick menu nav), new control schemes. Adding a mouse to a controller but is also adding an analog stick to a mouse! 1-handed look-strafe, twin mice (Drag x Drive), mouse+gyro, up to 8 simultaneous analog control axes. What more could you want? 1/2

IMO the most interesting in the Switch 2 Ask the Developer articles was this footnote, referencing the Gunpei Yokoi idea of taking established hardware "and using it for new and different purposes." A controller-mouse hybrid is, as it turns out, Nintendo as fuck. 2/2 www.nintendo.com/en-gb/News/2...