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On past polling the huge pro rejoin majority falls when people are asked about joining the Euro and freedom of movement. IMO we could agree to the Euro but never enact it. FOM would actually benefit us but it is difficult to convince the public, especially when the right wing media lies about it.

Freedom of movement has a polling majority (and I think I'm right in saying it always has). The euro is irrelevant. We don't need to be any more committed to the euro than Sweden or Poland.

So, if freedom of movement always had a polling majority, how did we end with Brexit?

You aren't thinking logically - as a third country, we DO have to legally commit to adopting the euro, whether we do so or not. With only a third supporting this, it eats into that "rejoin" support.

The first thing that would happen is the UK demanding an end to free movement, within the same electoral cycle. Strengthen the fascists and push the EU to the brink. Next, Reform would get elected because free movement would continue + over 50% of the UK public is broken-brained.

Far more radical and hateful than in 2016. This nation has spent 50 years propagandising against the Union. Blaming all of its inadequacies and failures on it. The majority can’t comprehend the notion of European unity and will always see itself as superior. The UK doesn’t belong in the EU.

Can someone please explain to me like i´m an idiot: Why is Labour so much against "Rejoin"? I really don´t get it.

I don't disagree with that aim, but you rarely see anyone on here listing out the obstacles & political challenges that rejoin would face. Another divisive referendum? Free movement? Membership payments? Loss of sovereignty? Likely EU terms? All potentially significant but just conveniently ignored!

You couch it as 'begin working to...'. Noone can commit to delivering in one parliament. But without red lines and with an intent to join you can unlock meaningful progress. I'm sceptical it will lead to rejoin in my lifetime but if that were their explicit goal I'd vote labour for the first time.

No need for any referendum, just a government acting in the national interest (that happens also to be in line with the polling). Free movement is what most people are gagging for. Membership payments were always massively outweighed by the financial benefits of membership.

All trade agreements pool sovereignty, membership of the EU less than most due to sovereign interests expressed through the EU parliament and a gain in sovereignty when the alternative is being a rule taker.