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Friendly reminder that Duolingo was initially concieved to trick people into translating articles for free, which they later used as training data for MTL algorithms. Duolingo's primary purpose has NEVER been about teaching you a language, even from the start! slate.com/technology/2...

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It really irks me when people share their 300, 600, 1000 day Duolingo streaks but still don't know how to use Japanese. Here's an explanation for why apps like Duolingo don't work for learning to any fluency. jtalkonline.com/why-apps-lik...

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Also the guy who designed the owl is a horrid christian nationalist, source he went to my highschool. fuck you greg you stupid rich preppy bitch

It's most likely structured so that people far enough into the language to be intermediate or higher all get the same article and then Duolingo simply amalgamates the median translation from everyone in order to filter outliers

I remember that! At the time I thought it was cool; I learn a language and in return help some people translate a document! But then when it turned out to be for profit I gave up Duolingo for like a decade and gave it up once again a few years back

Yeah at the time it was definitely framed that way (the slate article I linked covered Duolingo in a positive tone), but duolingo being pedagogically unsound combined with the profit motive makes a benign interpretation much harder to justify

I can't recommend any specific apps outside of anki, this is what I'd recommend personally bsky.app/profile/fish...

Ash@fishyash.com

If you want to learn a language, literally anything is better than Duolingo. Honestly it being better than nothing is debatable at this point. Textbooks, audio courses, online guides. Literally anything with a pedagogically sound structure. SRS for vocab (duo isn't SRS), and LISTEN AND READ. A LOT

I took 8 years of Spanish and still can't speak it so the school system isn't exactly crushing language learning either, at least there's not unpaid labor involved?

Classes tend to just spread the material too thin, but it's pedagogically sound. Any non-scam course will teach you the grammar, structure, basic cultural concepts and such. But to acquire a language you need a lot more input than what any class will give you 95% of the learning is out the classroom