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Gonna briefly do an AI take: it used to be possible to have interesting discussions about AI here, and it's got progressively less so. You can't just think AI is bad, or overhyped, you've also got to subscribe to a very particular worst-case scenario about *how* it's bad and how bad it is.

There's a particular view on its environmental damage, psychological damage, and that it's useless, and if you deviate from that here you just end up deluged in yet another debate about those things, instead of the discussion you were trying to have.

I think it's quite noticeable that several thoughtful and serious AI critics now post here much less than they used to. Some have gone back to X (or if they didn't leave, upped their posting there), while others just don't seem to post anywhere very often any more. It's a shame.

You see some academic or policy communities mourn that their discipline never really arrived on here. I think good AI criticism did arrive here, but has largely withered away/been driven off by one specific subset of criticism which I personally don't find particularly interesting or convincing.

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Same experience here. I don't want to talk that much about #LLM s here because of the knee-jerk reactions, even from people whose opinions I value and would like to follow in other topics (which is why I haven't started blocking and muting them). bsky.app/profile/jmko...

Janne M. Korhonen@jmkorhonen.fi

I have the exact same experience from leftish/liberal experts, researchers, officials, and expert organisations in Finland: they are far more pragmatic about #LLM s than what is the average in BlueSky. And we are working out ways to use these powerful tools for public good and progressive purposes.

Is it fair to call them 'AI critics' rather than sceptics, because I think it was the sceptics who met the critics/obstructionists here who arent really interested (as with lots of SM) in a good faith discussion?

I don't want to lose the word "critic" though, as a sometime book critic I think it's a handy word for someone who tries to critically assess a work/field/book/movie!

When you respond to a post that's more than 48 hours old that went even semi-viral, there is almost zero chance your post says anything new that the OP hasn't seen *many* times by now. That's the nature of social media, I guess, but amazing how many people don't really grasp it (or choose not to)

OK James, you put that data center in your backyard and then come talk to us OK seriously. Where is the nearest data center to where you live? How many more do you want in your area because if you’re not willing to support a data center in your backyard, you’re not supporting AI

And you’re enjoying that? You’re OK with it doing everything it’s doing in your area because if you are, let’s send them all your way! Sounds like a perfect solution to what you want and what the rest of us want.

As an ND person I find Copilot incredibly helpful as a starter for 10. I throw in my brain work shit & ask it to help sort it out. This might involve multiple (10’s) of iterations. So please don’t tell me I’m crap for finding this v helpful. I’ve heard I’m crap too much in my life already.

Hey man do you think we are also not bored and frustrated by having to constantly repeat ourselves all the time? Do you think that anyone who is harmed by this stuff actually wants to spend tons of their own time trying to convince people in your position? Because I assure you: it actually sucks!

People need to make a habit of openly disagreeing with people who share their conclusions but have arrived at them for the wrong reasons. I'd call myself an AI sceptic (I think it's not as good or useful as people believe) but also despair a lot of the misinformed critique.