sometimes someone in my discord is is so self-hating, stating as fact such nasty shit, that they become hostile to any kindness at all. "i'm shit and if you say I'm not you're lying to me" type shit. you have to change your outlook before your helplessness becomes real in a way you don't expect
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even with smart, thoughtful, kind, patient, experienced people putting in work to try to help, i find that once someone is lashing out against basic kindness they're often unreachable from the outside. gotta go get into some harmful situation and wait it out, or maybe never recover
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