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A lot of people assume that the housing market circa 1975-2005, when urban housing was cheap even without new development thanks to rapid sprawl and white flight, is the natural state of the world and not an historically anomalous period shaped by housing and transportation policy choices.

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OTOH while city _centers_ tend to be expensive, 'city living' in a sense doesn't have to be. US streetcar suburbs, or modern stuff in Japan and I think Europe: you can have cheap 'suburbs' that are still walkable with decent train service.

Typical Tokyo suburb is probably more 'urban' than most US 'cities' these days. People walk to groceries, 1st-grade kids walk or bike or even transit to school on their own, network of trains can get you across the region or country. Much higher traffic safety and lower noise.

"Please keep your comments under two minutes ma'am" "I am here to oppose granting the special permit. I am going to read a poem about gentrification and the harm corporations and transplants are causing in our neighborhood"

Don't forget urban highways and urban renewal in general. Tons of urban land that was Jane Jacobsmaxxed destroyed for basically no reason, and replaced with things that are worse and less dense than before

Are you suggesting desegregation caused white flight? Because that is a harmful urban myth. Developers & gov’t were pulling whites from cities well before WWII. Little deseg happened until 1965 or ever outside the South where it was short lived (+/- 15 yrs) despite successful educational results. 1/

Long time urban residents likely prefer those times to the "better" alternative of today. A poor person in a poor area doesn't feel out of place and their access to jobs and amenities allowed them far higher material comfort than their income would normally allow.

Yeah there's a reason hip cool people all lived in old warehouses converted into trendy lofts and arts spaces during these decades. It was a entirely temporary void left by the mass-relocation of industry from cities to exurbs that left behind countless cool old brick warehouses and factory.

I mean there was no quicker way to show that a character was a trendy yuppie than showing them living in some sort of luxury loft in a dirty brick industrial building that you need to take an old timey freight elevator to get up to.

Inverse is true with interest rates. Some people have barely any memory of regular rates above 5%. For the 80’s and 90’s today’s rate would be great.

This unquestioned assumption leads people to some very weird conclusions, like the idea that investment in formerly-redlined neighborhoods is bad because it changes the character of the community, or that fair housing efforts to open up the suburbs are harmful because they disperse voters of color.

They also seem to confuse ‘making it easier for people to move into and out of various neighborhoods’ with whatever the housing equivalent of forced busing in the 1970s would be.

The equivalent is urban renewal, and I remember literally saying “it’s not urban renewal we’re talking about” in a thread long ago about allowing apartments to be built and having someone respond “yes it is!”.

I wonder if this has to do with the sort of merging/conflating of two separate thoughts. One: better infrastructure in neighborhoods can lead to price pressure for long-time residents. Two: that this is inherently bad & destroys the existing community.