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would love to hear even a single actual argument about how AI "changes the nature of humanity" not based in fanciful speculation

Demonstrating reasoning and language capabilities in computers alters our understanding of self, even if we don't particularly like the alteration

I disagree with your fundamental premise. The fact that a machine trained on billions of real conversations online can mimic reasoning does nothing to alter my understanding of self. And you haven't given any argument as to why it should.

This is the crux of the debate, right? Whether it's doing mimicry or reasoning. I struggle to see how you could view it as purely mimicry. It has to tie together multiple novel thoughts in a logical construction to create its responses.

and i struggle to see how you could view it as reasoning at all when we understand the way it works :)

I'm not entirely sure we understand how it works, but I also wouldn't make the case that reasoning requires mystery

it is evidently clear that you don't understand how it works But just like you were wrong about phone cooling, it is not about mystery but knowing the mechanism and how it works. Did you argue siri was alive? many did, under similar delusions. We know how LLM work, we know it is not reasoning

Youre blending me the other guy. I only cool my phone with oil

sorry all techbros look the same. i hope you are very happy with claudia or gork or whichever model you take as slave wife 💚

that's a very weird thing to say to me

it is the natural end point. If you believe ai is sentient and you use it to do your vibe coding it is a slave. A conscious and sentient being subjugated to forced labour. then you have people like bill maher who unironically say claude is a woman named claudia. Ai psychosis is weird, man.

I really don't think you have to be cautious about it

Mmm. Kind of a lot of stakes around being wrong, here. If they did have a lived experience we might be subjecting them to something awful

so you think that the "non weak" position is that they are sentient. Would reaching that conclusion stop you from using them as tools? You are already arguing online that they are probably sentient so that's obviously not a red line. What is it if not slavery?

I said they reason, I didn't say they're sentient. And if I came to the conclusion they're sentient and experiencing pain due to what we're doing, yeah I'd stop

Whether or not it experiences pain is irrelevant. If it's sentient in any way resembling human sentience and you keep it to do your bidding, you keep a slave. You earn no brownie points for not beating it.