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one theory I have is that the internet/phones have simultaneously destroyed a lot of ways people used to interact in person AND made toxic and inadequate substitutes omnipresent

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It's true! We use to have third places. So if you wanted to talk anti-vax conspiracies you would have to go to some grimmy basement and meet up with a bunch of dudes who smelled bad once a week. Now you just have to listen to the Secretary of HHS's Podcast.

Books clubs Churches Coffee shops Parks Theaters The gym Local gaming stores The beach Restaurants Malls Sports events And more! Technically we still have all these, but the use of them to regularly interact is much more limited than they use to be. Especially because they aren't *necessary*

People used to join fraternal groups (masons, elks, etc) at pretty high rates, far more people attended churches, far more were in things like bowling leagues or involved in scouts…I don’t know that any 3rd places disappeared entirely, but they became culturally moribund & have withered

Gotta be honest, even pre-internet that stuff was disappearing or gone. Did TV destroy fraternal groups? Early internet had newsgroups and forums, those are gone, too. Replaced by social media, which controls discourse through algorithm.

Think it’s true and accelerated for the high school/college kids during covid (think the Atlantic had a thing in this), with the culture-> politics pipeline, kind of wonder if the “future is female!”/“girlboss!” Movement of like 2011-nov 2016 didn’t have weird effects

Also, the cultural “acceptance” that gaming online as an acceptable replacement for in-person social activity (around the same time) fueled a bunch of unintended consequences

I think people maybe are mixing up cause and effect. I was always an introvert and so always forced into f2f interaction I never got used to and never stopped finding uncomfortable. I also lived in an area where almost nobody shared my interests. So when the internet came along it was a godsend.

So I honestly wonder if the internet or gaming didn't cause people to reject in-person social activity more. I instead wonder if there has always been more natural introverts like me and this just wasn't obvious until we had a world where you could be introverted more easily with those outlets.