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the basic point stands that it is categorically not true that Norway only has a welfare state because of oil rents, it had that before 2016 and indeed before oil was even discovered in the 1960s. all the other Nordics are similarly generous without oil as well

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How much of an impact did creditors knowing they were extremely solvent have on them though? I imagine Norway can borrow money more cheaply than most countries since they're guaranteed to be good for it

The US is also considered an extremely reliable debt payer, or at least it was before Trump, and really, it still is. Right now, Norway's central bank interest rate is slightly higher than that of the US; the difference is that the US has much higher levels of public debt and deficits than Norway.

and on the “can we afford it” question America is better situated than any country to fund a world class welfare state, we are rich and control the global reserve currency, we could chase down tax cheats better than any nation, we just don’t because of our shitty constitution and corruption

My usual tongue-in-cheek response is we don't have these things because the US is not a country, it's a plantation. But really, the reason is because the US is not a country, it's a plantation.

I was at the lake this weekend with extended family and someone mentioned that they knew a father who works for a church is getting 12 weeks of for paternity leave. Folks- most of the world offers mandatory paid parental leave that makes 12 weeks look like a coffee break. We just don't want to.

This all started with a post about why Norwegians can afford to vacation so much in the US and while the welfare state helps with that the main reason is that their currency is super strong thanks to their oil wealth so everything outside Norway is cheap to them.

That is incorrect. The Norwegian krone is actually much weaker than the dollar and the euro. Norway's way of handling its oil revenues prevents its currency from becoming overly appreciated. Interestingly, the Swedish krona is also weak. Here is an explanation: corporate.nordea.com/article/1019...

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Norway benefits from oil through the extra income and GDP per capita it generates. Without the oil sector, Norway’s GDP per capita would likely fall somewhere between Finland’s and Denmark’s—levels that are still very high and sufficient to fund a generous welfare state.

It is worth noting that the oil sector likely distorts Norway's economy in negative ways. Just compare the Norwegian export diversity with that of other Nordic countries. This outcome is probably inevitable, but Norway manages the situation as well as possible.