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Or that the many, many men who regularly sell well and/or climb up the bestseller charts don't count because they're not writing what the gripers like/don't confirm to the gripers idealized image of what a "man" is/are 'woke' to some degree or other, at which point it's very much, whatever, dude

Darryl Mott@gamerstavernshow.com

It feels like 90% of the "Men Left Behind" arguments boil down to "We used to have all the things and now we only have most of the things and that is discrimination against us because other people are allowed a few things."

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It's staggering how many of these "mens' problems" are basically a self-inflicted No True Scotsman fallacy - anything that doesn't exactly match their restrictive (and ridiculous) standards, they'll say it doesn't count.

Having kindle unlimited for a good long while revealed to me just how many average/mediocre male authors exist in the world. I'm all for giving everyone else out there a shot at the belt.

I am all for more good beer oka. I can’t say that I care about the gender of the writer, though I might end up caring about their general worldview. (No problems there, John, you seem to be a mensch.)

If these people read. They would be different and possibly better people. This is not a market that is neglected. These people do not represent lost revenue or money left on the table.

Until men start having to write under female pen names to get published, I don’t think they really have an argument. Because Andre Norton and James Triptree Jr would like to have a discussion.