Ostrich

Ostrich

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Metaethics and Animal Ethics Incessant moralizer (that's good)

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transitioning to the slightly more familiar relationship between normative and metaethics, Schroeder's 'Normative Ethics and Metaethics' (philpapers.org/rec/SCHNEA-5) has the character of a handbook chapter but makes some interesting promises worth recapping. The main point of the paper is the //

philpapers.orgMark Schroeder, Normative Ethics and Metaethics - PhilPapers
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staying on theme and with the author: 'Is Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation?' link.springer.com/article/10.1... If science (obviously?) isn't susceptible to moral refutation, is metaphysics? it certainly sometimes is treated like it is! We might think sqampman doesn't have the kind //

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//promise is not fulfilled in that spirit. rather, Schroeder appeals to the fact that a eprfectly general explanation of what is good or right will always have to account for what it is to be good or right - normative theory dissolves into metaethics at a sufficiently high level of generality. //

//This strikes me as true, and not uninteresting, but I think it is not right to describe this as normative theory having an (epistemically justified) impact on our metaethical commitments.

transitioning to the slightly more familiar relationship between normative and metaethics, Schroeder's 'Normative Ethics and Metaethics' (philpapers.org/rec/SCHNEA-5) has the character of a handbook chapter but makes some interesting promises worth recapping. The main point of the paper is the //

philpapers.orgMark Schroeder, Normative Ethics and Metaethics - PhilPapers
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staying on theme and with the author: 'Is Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation?' link.springer.com/article/10.1... If science (obviously?) isn't susceptible to moral refutation, is metaphysics? it certainly sometimes is treated like it is! We might think sqampman doesn't have the kind //

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//to say something is bad or good or wrong or right; it means that it is endorsed from a certain perspective. it is no more committing us to a normative stance as noncognitivism commits us to one by committing us to think that what we successfully call good, is good. end of side note.) but where//

//things promise to get interesting is when Schroeder claims that this dependence relation goes two ways. Not only does our metaethic have a bearing on our normarive ethics; the inverse is also true! Now that is a claim - though if Barber (2020) is right, not totally implausible. Sadly, the //

transitioning to the slightly more familiar relationship between normative and metaethics, Schroeder's 'Normative Ethics and Metaethics' (philpapers.org/rec/SCHNEA-5) has the character of a handbook chapter but makes some interesting promises worth recapping. The main point of the paper is the //

philpapers.orgMark Schroeder, Normative Ethics and Metaethics - PhilPapers
Ostrich@ostrichstrauss.bsky.social

staying on theme and with the author: 'Is Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation?' link.springer.com/article/10.1... If science (obviously?) isn't susceptible to moral refutation, is metaphysics? it certainly sometimes is treated like it is! We might think sqampman doesn't have the kind //

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//be refuted even by "arguments [...] as bad as [Michael] Huemer's. So far so well worn (although there is an argument in the middle that was strange to me: Schroeder says relativism is a normative doctrine because it says things like "Rape is bad if your culture thinks rape is bad," which is a //

//very general statement about what is good in particular of the from "X is bad iff Y." He basically wants to draw a comparisson to soemthing like "If a person is poor, it is bad to steal from them." But that seems unfair. I think relativism can be read as a conceptual point about what it means//

transitioning to the slightly more familiar relationship between normative and metaethics, Schroeder's 'Normative Ethics and Metaethics' (philpapers.org/rec/SCHNEA-5) has the character of a handbook chapter but makes some interesting promises worth recapping. The main point of the paper is the //

philpapers.orgMark Schroeder, Normative Ethics and Metaethics - PhilPapers
Ostrich@ostrichstrauss.bsky.social

staying on theme and with the author: 'Is Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation?' link.springer.com/article/10.1... If science (obviously?) isn't susceptible to moral refutation, is metaphysics? it certainly sometimes is treated like it is! We might think sqampman doesn't have the kind //

//familiar refutation of the old vlaim that metaethics and normative ethics are perfectly independent. The claim is by now orthodox: some metaethical theories have no normative entailments; others do. Lots of noncognitivism doesn't; much of error theory does; all of resuctive naturalism has to or//

staying on theme and with the author: 'Is Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation?' link.springer.com/article/10.1... If science (obviously?) isn't susceptible to moral refutation, is metaphysics? it certainly sometimes is treated like it is! We might think sqampman doesn't have the kind //

link.springer.comIs Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation? - Acta AnalyticaWhen a novel scientific theory conflicts with otherwise plausible moral assumptions, we do not treat that as evidence against the theory. We may scrutinize the empirical data more keenly and take extr...
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Starting with Alex Barber's 'Science's immunity to moral refutation' www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.... This text deals with a topic that I am at times as puzzled as is Barber has notnreceived more attention in the lit, and at times find totally trivial. Fascinating just for that. //

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why metaphysics should care about derivative (empirically informed) moral judgments like 'it is fine to kill fish' or 'it is fine to kill swamp man'; rather it is susceptible to conflict with non-derivative, a priori principles like 'conscious beings must not be killed without justification' But //

// that is a much weaker result than the one that would explain the admissibility of the moral refutation of swamp man. I think there our intuitions are just false (or moral realism is false lol, lmao even)

staying on theme and with the author: 'Is Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation?' link.springer.com/article/10.1... If science (obviously?) isn't susceptible to moral refutation, is metaphysics? it certainly sometimes is treated like it is! We might think sqampman doesn't have the kind //

link.springer.comIs Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation? - Acta AnalyticaWhen a novel scientific theory conflicts with otherwise plausible moral assumptions, we do not treat that as evidence against the theory. We may scrutinize the empirical data more keenly and take extr...
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Starting with Alex Barber's 'Science's immunity to moral refutation' www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.... This text deals with a topic that I am at times as puzzled as is Barber has notnreceived more attention in the lit, and at times find totally trivial. Fascinating just for that. //

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// be a person. The argument might not hold - i doubt that it does - but barber is right that it does not carry the same air of category error as when we argue that fish are unconscious because we know it is fine to kill fish. The reason for thjs, to Barber, is that it is possible, but not //

// determined that/whether metaphysical theses area priori or whether they involve empirical premises. in the latter case, no moral refutation. in the earlier, moral refutation possible. I have my doubts that metaphysics even in its a priori form fares this much worse than science. I don't see //

staying on theme and with the author: 'Is Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation?' link.springer.com/article/10.1... If science (obviously?) isn't susceptible to moral refutation, is metaphysics? it certainly sometimes is treated like it is! We might think sqampman doesn't have the kind //

link.springer.comIs Metaphysics Immune to Moral Refutation? - Acta AnalyticaWhen a novel scientific theory conflicts with otherwise plausible moral assumptions, we do not treat that as evidence against the theory. We may scrutinize the empirical data more keenly and take extr...
Ostrich@ostrichstrauss.bsky.social

Starting with Alex Barber's 'Science's immunity to moral refutation' www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.... This text deals with a topic that I am at times as puzzled as is Barber has notnreceived more attention in the lit, and at times find totally trivial. Fascinating just for that. //

// of thoughts and intentions we associate with a usual person, but what does that mean practically? It seems he will no longer be protected by miral provisions for beings with intentions and personhood. So we should be allowed to kill swamp man for food. but that is heinous - swamp man must //

Starting with Alex Barber's 'Science's immunity to moral refutation' www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.... This text deals with a topic that I am at times as puzzled as is Barber has notnreceived more attention in the lit, and at times find totally trivial. Fascinating just for that. //

tandfonline.comScience’s Immunity to Moral RefutationOur moral convictions cannot, on the face of it, count in evidence against scientific claims with which they happen to conflict. Moral anti-realists of whatever stripe can explain this easily: scie...
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i have decided to write a bit about (some of) the more interesting articles i read on here

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// perceptual or quasi-percptual sense) realist theories are in danger here. And it turns out the author agrees! Sneakily, the paper was an argument for top-down and against bottom-up realism; for a kind if realism that begins from a priori principles completely independent (bilaterally) from //

// empirical science, and that can be applied to situations, and against one where you 'see' the valence of a situation or intuit particular moral judgments. A very satisfying reveal!

Starting with Alex Barber's 'Science's immunity to moral refutation' www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.... This text deals with a topic that I am at times as puzzled as is Barber has notnreceived more attention in the lit, and at times find totally trivial. Fascinating just for that. //

tandfonline.comScience’s Immunity to Moral RefutationOur moral convictions cannot, on the face of it, count in evidence against scientific claims with which they happen to conflict. Moral anti-realists of whatever stripe can explain this easily: scie...
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i have decided to write a bit about (some of) the more interesting articles i read on here

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//So Barber seems to have found an interesting wound to put his finger in, but once he digs down it suddenly starts to be notnso much of a problem. because the examples he uses are things like "if you think fish are fine to eat because they arent't conscious, but then science tells you dish are //

// conscious after all, you don't question the science at all, but completely revise your moral stance. But that suddenly doesn't look so puzzling anymore. what is refuted by science is not the moral judgment but the empirical premises from which I derived it. Really, only intuitionist (in the //

Starting with Alex Barber's 'Science's immunity to moral refutation' www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.... This text deals with a topic that I am at times as puzzled as is Barber has notnreceived more attention in the lit, and at times find totally trivial. Fascinating just for that. //

tandfonline.comScience’s Immunity to Moral RefutationOur moral convictions cannot, on the face of it, count in evidence against scientific claims with which they happen to conflict. Moral anti-realists of whatever stripe can explain this easily: scie...
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i have decided to write a bit about (some of) the more interesting articles i read on here

// The text is framed as a problem for moral realism - a scientific finding conflicting with our moral convictions does not take any credence away from that findings. that seems right on the face of it, and it's quite clear why under realism that is weirder than under anti-realism. //

guy who thinks Cuba had low quality healthcare before the recent oil embargo

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You think the blockade is why Cuba has no power or quality healthcare? Yes, the US is why prostitutes and Taxi drivers get paid more than doctors and engineers in Cuba. You think it is the " humanitarian thing to say" to fund a regime that stomps on its citizens rights?

they are recreating the SA from first principles

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Groypers on James Fishback’s insane campaign are now so misogynistic that they’re saying gay sex is straighter than heterosexual sex. www.thebulwark.com/p/james-fish...

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I am observing an extreme case of "nobody makes the observation but everyone makes observations about the observation nobody makes (anymore)" with the discourse around supposed observations that Avatar (post fire and ash) doesn't have any cultural impact

I genuinely don't entirely know what policies people want to be enacted against climate change. Any change to consumption is seen as some kind of red Herring.

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Honestly this has always been weird to me. Giving the head of the executive unilateral pardoning power seems to have only one expectable outcome right? There aren't really two different waysthis could go.

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Oh I see your confusion, you thought the prophesy meant nobody could kill you, but it says here “nobody” is the name of a man who will kill you. And that’s much less strange than being immortal.

It's a weird feeling to have written a worse version of this argument (from a different perspective, granted) to be published in a supposedly more respectable medium but that being infinitely less useful than just throwing it on substack while being good at philosophy

It defo is a bit concerning that it is somewhat acceptable to accuse the IDF of genocide on the BBC but completely unacceptible to call for the demise of that institution. Makes me worry about the BBC's opinion on genocide

One thing i really like about Kant is that theoretical phil people all go "how could such a brilliant guy come up with such bad moral philosophy" and all the practical phil people go "you just have to ignore all the weird metaphysics then he's great" Love a confusing king