John Lansing

John Lansing

@pipedreaming.bsky.social

Posting thoughts on plumbing/building codes, engineering design guides, water and nutrient cycles, often with regional and historical insights (personal account) Director of Plumbing Standards Research and Development john.lansing@centerforbuilding.org

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While plumbing with single stacks was being installed throughout Europe, Miami was attempting to do the same in the 1990s but instead with proprietary products that begin gaining a reputation for flooding condos with sewage.

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While plumbing with single stacks was being installed throughout Europe, Miami was attempting to do the same in the 1990s but instead with proprietary products that begin gaining a reputation for flooding condos with sewage.

With drainage, it’s generally recommended to limit the amount of directional changes but the Sovent deliberately does this at every floor. This also makes it very tricky to clean out a blockage as well without using a special process with non-standard equipment designed for cleaning Sovent systems.

The Sovent remains one of the only methods used in the US for eliminating unnecessary vent piping, despite more than a century of success using the more rational single stack configuration in Europe and Philadelphia.

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If I mention the single stack to an American plumbing designer, they’ll most likely think I’m referring to the Sovent (left) or this unsavory “concession edition” of the single stack (right) that quite literally is two stacks along with a stack vent running the height of the building.

I was just sent these photos of a Philadelphia single stack. Missing is the typical web of vent piping that you see in American and Canadian residential buildings.

The closet bend with the dual side inlets is not something you often see outside of Philly, though there are weird variations of historically used multi-inlet junction fittings with names respective to their origin city (Merion, Toronto, New Orleans ect).

I knew getting to and from the train station was going to be annoying but the infrequent bus service made it even worse than I imagined, in addition to weird station locations and no card payments.

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While bag scanners are not common for HSR in Europe, they are for HSR in Spain. These are just like the ones you see on subways in China but didn’t seem to slow things down too much.

I knew getting to and from the train station was going to be annoying but the infrequent bus service made it even worse than I imagined, in addition to weird station locations and no card payments.

Zaragoza is Spain’s 4th largest city and is located between Barcelona and Madrid, which makes it all the more surprising that the last train leaves at 9:50 PM. This is very early in Spanish context. Restaurants don’t even open until 7 PM!

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These latrines are essentially toilet seats (reconstructed here) over a cannel carrying a redirected stream of water. This is typical Roman construction that can be found as far north as Hadrian’s Wall near the Scottish border.

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I replaced the galvanized iron piping in my house with PEX, introduced to North America in 1984. My water is no longer rust-colored, doesn't taste terrible, and flows much better. It was significantly less work to install the PEX as it was to rip out the old galvanized

Social media loves talking about how everything is getting worse. But what’s something that you’ve seen get _better_ in your lifetime?

إن قدرة الأشخاص على التواصل فيما بينهم بسهولة، بأي لغة وفي أي بلد، أمرٌ رائعٌ للغاية.

Social media loves talking about how everything is getting worse. But what’s something that you’ve seen get _better_ in your lifetime?

The U.S. Department of Commerce published a report in 1951 to support an effort to create a harmonized code for all 50 states. In 1955, ASME published the A40.8 National Standard Plumbing Code as an American Standard Association (predecessor to ANSI) publication.

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The proceeds of the project were cannibalized by other standards development organizations in the wake of the A40.8 dissolution, with significant sections of the text and tables appearing a few years later in the NSPC (a dwindling model code now only used in NJ) and the IPC in 1995.

There have been some good advances from IAPMO in recent years as well as the ICC 815 effort to revisit the fundamentals of some sections of the model codes, but US plumbing codes are still running on the fumes of outdated and incomplete mid-century work from the National Bureau of Standards

The U.S. Department of Commerce published a report in 1951 to support an effort to create a harmonized code for all 50 states. In 1955, ASME published the A40.8 National Standard Plumbing Code as an American Standard Association (predecessor to ANSI) publication.

A revision to the document was submitted to ANSI in 1968, and featured “important revisions related to new materials, methods and technical advances” but was rejected by the technical committee as some of the proposed items were deemed unacceptable by some. The A40.8 project was dissolved in 1972.

These are the factory jobs Americans actually want. In addition to helping solve a critical housing shortage, removing the expectation of working outside in the elements would also open the construction trades up to people that never otherwise considered it.

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This mini-doc from DW on modular residential construction talks a bit about the recent industry failures in the US and pinpoints inconsistent building codes as one of the major barriers. Interestingly, this issue was also highlighted by HUD’s Operation Breakthrough in the 1960s and 1970s.

This bathroom module shown in the video is missing something that would make it illegal in the US: vents for to sanitary drainage system. HUD decided the vents should be omitted for modular housing and successfully and thoroughly demonstrated that omitting these vents (single stack) worked!

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Under Project Breakthrough, the British Standard CP 304 was used to design an otherwise illegal single stack drainage configuration for a residential building in Kirkland, Washington. A series of tests were run on the system with positive results, suggesting viability for widespread adoption.

1500 new apartments are under construction in Berlin’s Lichtenberg borough, making it one of the largest modular construction projects in Europe. Lichtenberg is famous the large quantity of plattenbau (modular housing) commie blocks so it’s keeping the tradition alive.

Walking around London looking like a guy who lost his F-150 in the Home Depot parking lot, trying to make the case that it’s everyone else that doesn’t belong there.

The person in the middle seat gets both arm rests. People by the window and aisle get one. That’s the rule (for the record, I always choose aisle or window seats).

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I’d buy an abandoned apartment building and fill it with plumbing systems designed in accordance with German or Dutch building standards (highly illegal in the US) and run experiments to demonstrate superior performance. I’d pay for flights/hotels to bring every inspector in the country to see it.

Peter@notalawyer.bsky.social

question for the audience: if you were ultra rich (let’s say $25M), what completely frivolous thing are you buying?

Maybe this isn’t so frivolous. If this changes the building codes and puts money back into the economy by reducing the cost of construction, can I get my $25 million back to do something about else with it?

It’s an East/West divide between the pedestal and squating WC that persists today. Squatting WCs were produced in France in the mid 19th century when plumbing was still a rare luxury and predates the siphonic WC now ubiquitous in the US. They worked well and are the only early WC still common today.

Aaron Rupar@atrupar.com

deep thoughts with Katie Zacharia: "I remember thinking, 'How is China the next country on the horizon? They don't even have proper toilets!'"

In China today, you mostly find the squatting WC in public restrooms and guest bathrooms in homes. It’s not too hard to find pedestal WCs in public restrooms either, especially at malls.

I wonder what this map would look like if we had more rational plumbing codes that didn’t represent such a cost barrier. Another part of this story is the cost of traditional wastewater disposal methods for non-sewered sanitation (i.e. septic tanks), which are also unviable in many areas.

uscensusmaps.orgLacking complete plumbing in the US · 2024 American Community SurveyPercentage of occupied housing units lacking complete plumbing facilities. Interactive 2024 American Community Survey map by neighborhood.

This is also more cost-effective from a plumbing standpoint because it keeps the fixtures closer together (less piping). It gives users more privacy while directly addressing the wait-time gender disparity at congested restrooms. The Victorian separation of (bathroom) spheres has run its course.

Razzball@razzball.bsky.social

INSANE: (Bathroom layout that is in a lot high-end restaurants)

It should not be lost on anyone that these people are creepy weirdos that beleive it’s their GodGivenRight™️ to peak at strangers sitting on the toilet through the stall cracks. They must be stopped!

The insistence on using SI over AI is a clear attempt to obfuscate another war the US has been waging and losing for over century against the Système international d'unités, costing Americans between $1.603 billion to $2.506 billion per year.

Aaron Rupar@atrupar.com

Trump: "The White House considers anyone that uses the term, 'Artificial Intelligence,' as opposed to the highly accepted new and more accurate term, 'Super Intelligence,' THE ENEMY! President DONALD J. TRUMP"

“The sewer gas does not come pouring into everyone’s homes in Philadelphia nor does it happen in Paris.” The single stack isn’t experimental or even radical. It’s in the homes of hundreds of millions of people worldwide and doesn’t result in failed traps, as the model codes in the US still suggest.

Michael Andersen@andersem.bsky.social

I look pretty intense in this screencap but feel like I did OK on the podcast. Thanks to Marty, Bre, and Ed for the invitation! www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbBH...