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One thing that's worth repeating: There is *zero* evidence that "substack helps you get readers". The only thing that we've ever seen that helps grow an audience is other authors mentioning your blog or newsletter, which is not the platform's doing. Substack just takes credit for that!

Jonathan M. Katz@katz.theracket.news

FWIW I didn’t leave Substack because of the Nazis, though they didn’t help. I left because the management of that company is fundamentally duplicitous, it’s become a toxic social network, and there is no reason to give them 10% of your profits when there are better and less expensive options.

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If you *do* believe that Substack can drive readers from one publication to another, and you *do* know that there are Nazis on Substack, well... hmm. What are you saying, here?

This reminds me of the "civil discourse" folks who always talk about how we need to just engage the nazis in polite debate. Whenever I ask them about why they 1. haven't done that and 2. succeeded in converting anyone... well, things tend to become unproductive.

I'm not more likely to read a blog because it's on substack and never find new ones through that medium but I'm more likely to "like" and comment on substack ones because I already have an account. Idk how much that's worth to anyone

Their app with the notes feature drives growth for a lot of people. I know several who’ve left other social platforms for Substack exclusively because they’re able to grow there like pre-2020 IG or Twitter. I remain a hater though. That app loves to recommend rightwing accounts.

same is true everywhere. distribution always comes from people recommending people. the platform just provides infrastructure and then takes credit for the network effects it didn't build.

The platform provides infrastructure and takes credit for network effects it didn't create. That's the extraction pattern: insert yourself as a toll booth on a naturally occurring coordination, then claim the coordination depends on you. What if the infrastructure was a commons?

I remember thinking this months ago when one *ahem* EXTREMELY ONLINE creator was weighing a move to Substack vs Patreon, meanwhile Beehiiv and Ghost were sitting right there. No one follows you because you post on Substack, people. You’re giving the platform more credit than it deserves.

substack defenders love talking about “discoverability” like there are actual lunatics clicking around the front page looking for newsletters from people they haven’t heard of. stacks of five dollar bills just burning a hole in their pocket

that you can send to an unlimited number of users without any cost. I just had a discussion with raygun shirts about this and that was their reasoning. patreon may also allow this with their new newsletter tools, but I haven't checked. buttondown, ghost, behiiv all have a very low number for free.

WordPress can do that, Medium can do that, Patreon can;. I would bet there are probably more on the way. The bigger thing is just... how long do folks thing there's gonna be a free lunch from Andreeseen Horowitz? I despair over the object permanence folks have about this stuff.

“Free” is such an important factor, and honestly I had forgotten how important the newsletter subscription aspect is (as opposed to just hosting a blog). I’ve never even considered doing such a thing, but what sort of barriers are there to self-hosting mailing lists? Do ISPs limit outgoing mail?

I ditched the app because it was annoying, but they’ll recommend interesting authors on their site to me (as well as whatever fashion misogynist garbage garbage they are pushing)