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Can't pardon treason. It's aid and comfort

Thank you Liz Oyer: still working for our country. ❤️

No pardon for him or his goons!

I'm sure if he gets sentenced as a traitor to the US then his actions while in office will be considered null, or we the people just have our version of the Hague and no one gets left out

This is an excellent post. Thx.

These people’s crimes were committed in the cohort of criminals led by rump himself. That’s antithetical to “Law in Order”. Pardon your accomplices is the same as pardon yourself. 🤷🏾‍♂️

The US could defer to the world court in The Hague and deliver the detainees to Europe for trial for all crimes against humanity and war crimes.

She's Awesome!

Even if they flee to another country Mangobutt showed that kidnapping another country’s leader is acceptable so drag his ass back kicking and screaming or “accidentally” drop him from a helicopter

i thought i read somewhere that a President with convictions cannot write pardons or they can't be counted as legal? anyone heard of this?

I'm not an Attorney but wouldn't a Pardon given by a Convicted Felon make it Null & Void ?

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A presidential pardon isn’t a “get out of everything free” card. It covers federal crimes, even before prosecution. State crimes? Nope. Civil liability? Nope. Impeachment? Nope. A President can close the federal door, but several other doors may remain wide open.

Doesn’t pardoning all those people eliminate their right to “plead the fifth” since they have no threat of prosecution?

So that all of those people could testify against Trump or others with immunity.

Thx for giving us hope. These pardons have been a bribe scheme and abuse by this president.

There come a time when pardons are just pieces of paper.

Maybe I'm just over simplifying what I've heard, but doesn't a pardon require a conviction of guilt? Meaning, how can you pardon something that hasn't been convicted yet?

He hasn't "taken care" with a Hell of a lot more things than just pardons. I don't think a day goes by w/o him thumbing his orange nose at the rule of law in one way or another. What about being able to prove cheating in the election? Wouldn't that make the entire presidency null & void?

As I was understand it, anyone who receives a pardon cannot take the 5th if deposed or if testifying, which would screw over Don in a criminal investigation.

Thx for info. Hope he doesn’t get away with blanket pardons.

I sure hope they figure something out.

Eliminate Pardons. Eliminate the Pedo Class.

This is good.

We won’t respect anything he did.

I also read somewhere that if someone is granted a pardon, they can not longer plead the fifth and will be expected to testify truthfully in any cases related to their work in the trump administration. That is apparently giving trump pause regarding his mass pardon idea.

..mass pardons for them, death and suffering for everyone else.

Thank you.

Good luck with that.

Thank you

If he has done "nothing wrong" and run the country in the interests of the nation and the people why does he need to "pardon" anyone whatsoever?! 🤔 help me to understand please 🙏

Could a Hitler pardon people that acted under his orders Have it be “legal”, unforgivable and be held unaccountable- I think not We the People won’t accept those “pardons” Actions by Trump - ICE - Cabinet members & some in Congress go deeper than small boo-boos Treasonous - murderous

Can they be undone for Hunter Biden and the entire Biden family as well as Fauci

For how much credit The Founding Fathers get for setting up foolproof system of checks and balances and for their alleged vision, they were really stupid that they didn’t foresee a criminal president abusing the pardon power to make crime legal and turn America into full on kleptocracy.

Pardons are a funny thing, they only exist within the country issuing them, do folks getting pardon in USA get to travel in Canada or does the conviction/s stop them?

Then how do you explain the preemptive pardons for Hunter Biden and Dr. Fauci?

At the very least the illegal conduct must be specified. The constitution says nothing about pardoning people, only that “offenses” may be pardoned.

Pardon are to anull convictions, there are some in J6 who won't admit to being involved in j6 that aren't pardon. A conviction must exist for a pardon to exist. The idea that Trump can pardon for something that doesn't exist is idiotic, like trump pardoning his future grandkids

Food for thought: “Take Care Clause”. NOW how could mass pardons of junior staffers be UNDONE, I mean actually reversed?

We are so lucky to have you, Liz Oyer.

Another thing they can do is sign up to the international criminal court and let them prosecute the Trump administration criminals who have broken international laws. Trump and Hegseth can be extradited to Iran to face trial for war crimes.

I was wondering if "corrupt intent" could be used to invalidate them? Anybody know?

I appreciate this, but it’s a moot point. Trump’s pardon plans likely thrill Democratic leaders like Schumer and Jeffries, who want a return to the status quo. From the 2008 financial collapse to the Confederacy, this country avoids accountability. Here, healing is collusion. Power protects power.

Nothing says "legitimate administration" like mass pardons for its members.

"Take care clause" ... That sounds good to me!

Allowing a president to pardon sounds a little like a kingly privilege to those of us outside of US…

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How many Dem candidates have put it on the record that they would pursue this? Can we safely assume that if they haven't, they won't? (So far, I've really only seen *Republicans*—inc. Trump—declare that Dems would investigate & charge them.)

These pardons will be challenged. Article II, Section 3 provides that the President "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." The President oversees the executive branch but must do so in service of enforcing laws enacted by Congress rather than substituting personal preferences.

It's a Constitutional power, so Congress can start the process, but the states need to ratify it.

He created the inflation. He did nothing to decrease or end it. Affordability? He said & does not care about what the people’s finances are. He just cares about himself and his wealthy cohorts. He reaps what he did not sow.

Oh yeah.....I think pretty much everything he has done could be "undone" bc he was/is a felon and never should have been Pres and his behavior has been treasonous !

Good arguments!

As an attorney you know when you debrief an individual their immunity or plea deal can be undone if they don't tell the truth or are not conclusive about their participation in a crime. Don't pardons have to specify what's being pardoned? I can't see a blanket pardon being a legal catch all.

Good.

Love this! Every corrupt Republican must be held accountable and Democrats must continue to maintain it's proactive and offensive strategy! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 @housedemocrats.bsky.social @democrats.senate.gov @democrats.org @oversightdemocrats.bsky.social

This is such good news. The prospect that we could actually hold these people accountable, despite their using loopholes in our laws to abuse presidential pardons, makes me very hopeful.

The fact that he sells pardons to convicted billionaires and rapists should be clear evidence that he has abused that pardon power. I can’t believe we have to even have this discussion.

And the SCOTUS part of the equation?

Accepting a pardon means accepting the guilt associated with the crime. Anyone who accepts a pardon could be brought in for questions regarding the crime... and not be able to plead the 5th. Use the small fish to catch the big fish.

My simple brain thinks that once it has been determined that he was in fact an illegitimate president with the help from Mustyputin that that would equal illegitimate pardons.

The US can join the ICC and prosecute them under this

"All" legislative power is vested in Congress (Art I s 1) & it is empowered specifically:"To make all Laws which shall be necessary & proper for carrying into Execution ... all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

Charge them with State Crimes first for one thing.

They can be undone, if they were signed in bad faith and the person is held responsible for any major crimes.

Let's also remember, the president can now legally do anything that is within the scope of doing their job. That would include a democratic president elected in 2028. Undoing pardons issued by a criminal? Legal. Investigating people the DoJ previously agreed not to prosecute? Legal.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Let's do it.

If they take the pardons, and they get called to testify before a Democratic majority Congress or Senate, they lose their right to take the fifth

Third eye open people mind control every thought from the rest of us with telepathic magic. Voices in people’s heads? They are other humans on Earth who mind control the rest of us. Look your friends in the eyes. They’re bad at keeping their cover. #endoursuffering

Class Actions!

Many thanks for this Liz. I’ve been wondering about this very subject.

Get state cases ready.

This is the guy who said "Fuck it, pardon them all" for the J-6'ers, released the Taliban Terrorists and pardons the worst elements in his Bribes for Pardons Retirement. We need to stop ALL pardons for his reckless dementia and make them pay all restitution.

So that sounds like a recipe for the disaster now upon you. No kings?

For those staffers collect valuable evidence and be at the head of the line to become a witness it may be more valuable than a pardon signed by HIM. The late comers may not be so lucky.

Liz kicks ass.

Worst case, just wait for them to commit new crimes. They will. They’re Trumpers.

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👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 States are also going to have to create new laws that can capture crimes committed federally, but that impact states.

Thank you for posting

Please! We hey all need to be held accountable! You don’t get into government to steal from people & then pardon the criminals that helped you do it! There HAS to be a clause that PROTECTS THE PEOPLE from this nightmare scenario!

BOOM 💥 🔥👏👏👏👏 Thank you Ms Hoyer This gives me hope that Trump’s pardon power isn’t the last word on this. They can be challenged! Keep talking about this! Please 🙏

We can REVERSE the Big Ugly Bill We can TAX THE RICH to better fund those programs We can #AbolishICE and move border enforcement & immigration back under the Department of Justice We can dismantle Homeland Security and move those functions back to their original homes And more Let's go ✊

There are a few. The one that necessitates 38 states signing on seems a lot easier and less destructive than the one that involves a civil war.

Could individual states charge and prosecute those who have committed crimes against those states while employed by DC? Like ICE running a person over with their car or shooting harmful or deadly weapons with intent to harm or kill and anyone who lied to defend or cover the crimes

1) His rallies are evidence in state cases vs. him & whoever traveled with him to those specific states as pardons are not subject to state laws 2) Pleading the fifth in any federal case will not injure them as they are protected & can state the truth vs. him @newyorkstateag.bsky.social knows

Admitting his entire administration is operating illegally.

Exactly! She's thinking outside the Box of Rules which have been hamstringing us We can do great things if we stop letting "political norms" which are actually just excuses for protecting the rich and the corrupt from consequences

a worthwhile watch and read ✅✅👍👍

It is very clear that the vast majority of Trump’s pardons have been corrupt. He has been making money by pardoning wealthy criminals, and issuing pardons to criminal thugs and January 6 rioters so that he could staff ICE, his own personal Gestapo. Corrupt pardons must be challenged in court.

Federal pardons can't be undone.

How much will Trump charge his staffers for a pardon.

Revoke Trump's pardon's like Trump did to Biden's pardons. BROKEN ARROW!