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Listening to infosec people freak out over Mythos is so tiring. Like, bro, your local water treatment plant runs Windows XP, your mobile provider's hardware is older than you are, and the protocol that routes internet traffic is secured by everyone just agreeing that hijacking it would be uncool.

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Our position is it's entirely possible this is going to lead to a waterfall of critical vulns, but our job in building general defenses and working towards efficiently doing vulnerability management was already correct and we just proceed like that.

I keep repeating this -- EVEN IF I TAKE ANTHROPIC'S MARKETING AT FACE VALUE, Mythos just continues the trend lines of "More CVEs" and "Faster Time to Exploit (...a small percentage of vulnerabilities". We already know how to defend against these things. It's just a lot of work.

first thing i'd lock down is DB perms. a prod role without DROP or ALTER plus point-in-time restore turns the 9-second delete class into a noisy failed migration instead of a wipe. do you expect the first wave here from over-privileged agents, or from CI secrets getting reused everywhere?

Ours too. It's just do the same thing we're doing but maybe do it faster, and if AI fear brings in more customers, then we have more budget to do it even faster

I have been deep in AI lately. If AI can break into things, I don't think that's the first thing I would be worrying about. Also XP was the GOAT of the time (and honestly, I still think it's great).

Regardless, it's an incredible economic opportunity for LLM vendors. Whether you're a legacy s/w vendor or building all new; whether you're still writing s/w, using AI to build s/w or building AI solutions, every company will have to use LLMs to find security flaws as part of their SDLC pipeline

The bit about hacking the IP protocol is a bit overstated. But the fact that the rest is undeniably true is actually, IMHO, a great argument IN FAVOR of freaking out over Mythos.

Also, we could find them without needing a model that now uses several TB of RAM and 2-3 racks of compute per prompt. I mean, if I brought the weight of 1000 AWS instances on everyone's encrypted password, I could crack them, but no one is freaking out about that.

I’ve been in a training course this week (DCC assessor) it’s a useful reminder of how the majority of companies struggle with basic controls and risk management. The AI issue is its impact on CEOs who suddenly think they don’t need to recruit, pulling up the ladder for newcomers into the industry

COBOL is a massive, massive problem. The bits of tech that aren't *Nix are COBOL, and fewer and fewer people know how to write it. Forget Mythos identifying CVEs at the speed of sound, train COBOL programmers.

I will absolutely agree with you hear. Said from day one that the fact that everyone's got multiple 5-year-old vulns they haven't patched means that Mythos isn't our biggest threat right now...

Hackers break the internet, no more hacking. It’s like a looney toons reverse gun where it’s pointed at the user Everyone leaves the gun alone

Assuming you’re still on XP due to hardware limitations, that’d be your first stop. MS can’t patch a Pentium. XP also has a monolithic kernel that can be freely modified at runtime. A compromised printer driver could pwn the system. Can’t patch that. You’d have to completely rewrite IE 6. Etc.

While I agree with you, I'm definitely using this convo to push the biz to have better patching windows and force IT to created systems that have been redundancy for these patching windows. This struggle is driven partially by vendors and partially by lack of investment in maintenance.

This whole thing about Mythos reminds me of when voice cloning was considered "too dangerous for public release" and now I can do it on my computer with a few clicks.