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it is not, but it is always amusing to bring up nonetheless

yep. it blows my goddamn mind sometimes. and like, for the many flaws of rust and the missteps, it's just gonna get better at this, i think.

I'm garbage at writing Rust, but I can guide Claude to do some pretty good test-driven development by writing things in Python first and asking it to implement in Rust. I'm sure this is not a revolutionary observation, tho.

None of the challenges in this were down to the Rust language. It was entirely maturity of the framework, the challenges of browsers, and someone not having done the grunt work already like they did in JS. Rust made it, if anything *easier*. weaver.sh/did:plc:yfvw...

rust gives you plenty of ways to avoid having to fuss with lifetimes if you don't want to. and IMO lifetimes are about as easy as monads, and neither is nearly as hard as everyone else makes them out to be.

I'll be honest, I didn't think I'd ever see anyone claim that Haskell is easier to adopt than Rust :berk:

Melange and js_of_ocaml are pretty great. Def a lot better than what Haskell has in terms of bundle size but IMO the way forward for full stack OCaml is more like the Elm approach: wrapping an optimized JS or WASM runtime with a safe blanket of OCaml in which apps are built

MirageOS 🥹

It's...okay. the problem is it's a lot heavier than embedded rust. but also is there any in-browser swift stuff? bc that's the icing on the cake for rust, that there's real libraries and frameworks that are usable *all* the way up and down the stack.

Any ARM processor that includes ARM9EJ-S extensions 'is' a hardware java machine. Which amusing is a lot of modern smart phones as javacard stuff was wildly successful for SIM cards & cell network identification.

i guess that depends on how you think about graal; i also forget how low graal gets. but, legit

pretty much the only other reasonably non-obscure languages I can think of that you could technically do this in (bc you can run anything in wasm, the embedded/no-os target is the tricky bit) other than Rust are C, C++, Go, Objective-C, and Swift. Kotlin *might* bc it has a native target for iOS.

That makes sense, I also learned today that I internalized a misunderstanding of graal as being cooler than it is (which admittedly is still pretty cool)