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"As a capitalist,I can confirm that market forces actually made me do it. I can't just take a job that earns less money than my current job"

I don't hate anybody for doing a job for the money, but also, like... do the job then??? honestly I still love programming despite it all so I just don't get it

I mean it's the only job left that makes a middle-class salary unless you can inherit your daddy's car dealership. What the hell else was I gonna do?

Me half the goddamn time.

The difference of quote between code i made for money and for love are there. “Yeah I could fix this properly but would require me hyper focusing for 3 days straight or do yet another bandaid fix that would be great for the deadline we have and im aware will only require testing in a few places”

I saw a post this morning saying they have a 1000 line prompt that then takes a few hours to generate all their code.... that sounds awful to work with oh and it generates 30,000 unit tests. As if anyone needs more than 8

I’ve watched a lot of ppl lose their love of programming bc of the incentives pushed by the corp they work for. Writing code is a very different thing than grabbing a Jira ticket for a 10 yr old, million line monolith sans unit tests, and seeing the deadline is 1/5 the time it’ll take in reality.

My aunt likes to say: ‘If you have a hobby you can have fun with it after work. If you turn your hobby into your occupation, you lose a hobby.’

I'll admit I'm partially one of those, at least in corporate. it's mostly that it is good money and I already had the degree and the job before I realized (or let myself admit) I didn't like it that much, so now that's where my career is. I still have too much pride to use AI, I'm dumb not a coward.

What I don't get is, basically all programmers used to hate reading and verifying and testing code even more. And now they do basically only that.

Let's be honest, though, most of programming is pretty horrible

Back in school I was following an embedded systems track. During mentor time, someone asked our mentor whether you could get your diploma if you couldn't program. His answer boiled down to 'I did and here I am now'. To my complete bafflement.

Fully automated Stakhanovism

Someone on Mastodon said we'll get Schrodinger's jobs: you can't do the job remotely and you must go to the office, but simultaneously it can be replaced by AI. (They ended up deleting the post because they got overwhelmed with the >1000 reposts)

You were never getting fired for being "not as productive" They fire people they don't like, that's about it In my former company, they recruited some dude without experience and without a degree because of it's last name Race, name, religion, where you live: those are the criteria

I'd say to them "Don't fix it." Let the coworkers take responsibility for their non-functional code.

like I don't think lighting a bunch of GPU cycles on fire for mild convenience is really worth it but eh in the grand scheme of things that part basically doesn't matter

Did GenAI write that comment? ;-)

oh my god i cant imagine how bad it must be in those communities. they were already pretty toxic with a slight distaste for programming and just wanting it to work, but now it must be a whole other world of hurt aaaaaahhh im so glad i only barely do MC modding now

lol

I think the biggest differentiator is how robust your tooling and dev practices were before GenAI. If you have strong test harnesses and suites, aggressive linters, etc, then LLMs are constrained enough that they help. But most companies don't have that, so the code rot builds up FAST

The way I see it, If it can't count X amount of Y, or realize that a certain unicode just DOESN'T exist, why should I trust it to create code that makes any sense on real projects? It's helpful within it's limits. just too many people abuse the shit out of it.

AI coding evangelists are wildly full of it imo

yeah im starting to be quite confused, people say the new claude opus model is insanely good and stuff but i dont notice any difference, its still quite dumb

That's the good thing about AI: plenty of shit code and companies getting fucked for trying to screw workers

hmm. almost

you write 3 unit tests, one proving each bug.

AI is good at writing repetitive stuff, but a good code base doesn't waste space with repetition.

lmao what technically it has to be on a subclass, but basically everyone just inline-subclasses namedtuples anyway

i got a PR right now where copilot is flat out getting basic but important shit wrong. yeah <coworker> definitely update copilot instructions that'll do it.