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I am trying to be patient because I 100% get that people are terrified but I am really struggling with all this knee-jerk public defeatism from other liberals and leftists right now

look i am also VERY prone to exceedingly bleak feelings and sentiments but i try to keep them to myself or to a small circle of friends because i do believe it is vital to eventual victory in long wars to try to keep each other’s spirits up

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I think it's fine to acknowledge that the current outlook is not optimal, but we're not dead yet and maybe this is just the ADHD kicking into high gear, but now is not the time for self-defeating alarmist panic. Now is when we really need clear heads to assess what's going on and start making plans

Surviving is all we really can do for so much of what is going to happen, like these tariffs. America voted for it, and we're going to get it. We have to focus on next steps because we will survive. 2026 elections aren't so far away.

My personal stance is one of an existential optimist. I see the data, I can see where things might be headed, I know that humans tend not to think strategically over the long term. But giving up on hope is a bridge too far, even with what I know.

This got you followed. I’m in agreement. In my own experience I can’t find solutions if I let my head be loudly full of woe is me. I have to acknowledge that, but then pull myself enough together to hope incoming ideas might work or they won’t come to me.

Faine Greenwood@faineg.com

Most every time I post about politics nowadays, I get a number of replies from people saying stuff along the lines of “we’re all doomed and you’re a naive idiot if you aren’t cowering in a hole waiting for death.” Even if you feel utterly doomed, why are you trying to spread it to others?

At the same time, maybe they don’t want to feel upbeat with you. Just a thought. As for why people are defeatist, it’s because they know the reality. All the good feeling and upbeat thoughts will do nothing. There is nothing stopping them, not even Congress or SCOTUS.

It’s also their messaging. If people could see that they at least understand basic economics or foreign policy, then they might be more positive that common sense will prevail. But there’s nothing. They still think “China” will pay the tariffs. Nothing is based in reality.

maybe they’re not trying to force despondency on others; maybe they are expressing a valid response to the endless, repeating trauma that the magaverse inflicts on us and they (me) are looking for solidarity.

which is absolutely not what I’m saying but I do think it’s wrong to actively attempt to make others feel despondent by coming into their mentions to tell them they’re doomed, which I’m seeing a lot of lately.

idk how folks are reacting to a second time that we already know is going to be worse than the first and are spending their energy just getting people freaked out and burned out. like, we know it’s gunna be super bad. what are we doing about it? nothing? cmon. focus up.

Continuing to live, to love, and to do what we can for those we can is the strongest defiance. Living is winning, and we know they'll eat their own if they can't devour us.

Giving in means you've let them conquer your spirit, which they want even more than conquering our bodies and lives. Besides, if it's so bleak, why not go one more day? Try to help one more person? What's the cost of rolling the dice one more time, if you already feel consigned to your fate?

And so we give ourselves to each other. Each day, for one more day, we march alongside each other. Fearful? Yes. Uncertain, to be sure. But every day will bring the dawn of another, and one day, we will be somewhere other.

I don't disagree with the core of what you're saying, that it's important not to discourage people and cause them to check out. But this also needs to be a moment of reflection where a certain segment of Democrats should be reevaluating the "we know best" mindset of the last 30 years.

I think it’s all about perspective. We all have a different perspective of life. What’s important is to value how another human perceives their perspective and allow them the freedom to have that view with out judgement. We may not agree but we don’t need to judge either.

Sure, but this is any analysis, not judgment, right? There is a significant segment of Democrats who were sure Biden, not Bernie, was the future of the Democratic party. Yet it must be clear now that his victory was only a rejection of the pandemic under Trump and not a cry for more neoliberalism.

The severity of the backlash to the Bernie movement, the lack of concern for the loss of support among Latino and black voters (mainly men), and most recently, the lack of concern the party refused to hold a real primary were all signs the party was in major trouble. Democrats must think this over.

The way I look at it, people look for different things from social media. For some, it's rallying the troops; for others, it's being down, expressing that sentiment and feeling seen. I value that if it's genuine, if it helps people cope.

It's not about being cheery, of course. It's about being human/humane, courageous & generous. Bill Stringfellow wasn't a very cheery guy, but he has a bunch to say to us (a thread from a month ago): bsky.app/profile/drew...

Drew Kadel@drewkadel.bsky.social

The stakes of this election are incredibly high. Yet fear of the future is debilitating, not empowering. I want to encourage everyone to continue to live humanly, no matter the outcome. I'll share some thoughts from this book by my favorite activist from the 1960s. wipfandstock.com/978159244874...

Long before he entered politics, Trump the “businessman” literally said he believes that when people become depressed, when they give up, it creates opportunity for him to win. Like a true authoritarian, he wants people to surrendering.

I feel like after that election there was a grace period in which people could in all decency go nuts venting their rage and grief in whatever form that took. We're coming up on four weeks since the election. If you're still venting trauma, you're getting a mute or a block.