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I get a lot of comments for using proton meet, mostly people have never used it. I'm desperately hoping for someone to compete more directly with the Google office suite (not owncloud) as everyone still uses it.

We adopted Proton workspace at tempo, it seems they do compete, no?

Protons security model is effectively a walled garden so integrations simply don't exist and external collaboration is difficult.

Is there a European alternative to MacBooks and iPhones?

Alternative for their software or for their hardware?

I was mainly meaning hardware

Give it time. The hardcore boycott of Big Tech is not an easy route for most people nor is it the right one imo. The best approach for me is looking at degoogling as actively promoting alternatives. So it is about showing better options, and challenging the status quo not about going cold turkey.

No, I don't expect nor advise anyone to spend months and thousands of euros to force an immediate transition to EU only hard/software. But when a subscription is up for renewal, hardware needs replacing or when starting something new I'd kind of hope/except people to make better choices

It's a matter of personal risk for me. I quickly switched from Google to @infomaniak.bsky.social because that was an immediate threat. If the next chapter of geopolitical insanity involves limiting big tech in the EU, I'd lose all my files. iPhones are different 👇🏼

Don't know if you've considered this situation from EC bureaucrats' position. wsocial, as one PDS operator, is giving them what they want. eIDAS verifies users at a European (National) citizens' LOA. It turns an (social) opinion into a (political) vote. secure.avaaz.org/en/victories/

I did find 1 other @fairphone.com user so there's that

/e/OS or Google Android? I'm very tempted to get one in the next ~12 months but not sure if /e/OS is stable enough yet. Would be wonderful to have an almost completely Google-free phone, though

If it doesn't have to be a Fairphone specifically you could as well buy a used Google Pixel and install GrapheneOS. Installation is easy and it works like a charm!

That doesn't surprise me. I got the impression there's a fair bit of cosplaying, but from a distance so I could be wrong.

I guess we have to start somewhere. It's fine to be practical about things and not religiously ban everything before you have proper alternatives available. But yeah, the amount of non-EU tech being used here is still striking.

And w-social is also here so there is definitely some cosplaying going on

"... how on earth are we going to convince normies". Classifying your friends as abnormal won't make ATP more attractive to this normie🙃. I think the problem here is that you're comparing the AT protocol only to SOCIAL platforms/networks. It can/will be much bigger than that. compare it it to http.

This wasn't meant to "classify friends as abnormal", this was very much a comment about atproto as a brand/community, how our friends see us (or don't even know about us) and that we clearly need to change some things