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This New Yorker piece about the Irish Famine has several paragraphs I found literally jaw-dropping (positive). This is a book review!! Good god!!!

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This piece glasses over a lot of the deliberate structural inequalities towards Irish Catholics specifically. For one thing, the British were still taking the healthy potatoes for themselves during this period

They were doing that as part of market fixing. It's the same thing that caused the British induced famines in South Asia. European free markets couldn't tolerate the shock of lower yield seasons. So, the British would still require the same amount of shipments out of Ireland and India.

Highly recommend Fintan's book "We don't know ourselves" for anyone interested in Irish history. It isn't comprehensive as it only covers his lifetime but it's a great account of those years.

Sorry to be a downer, but A) the vast, vast majority of Trump supporters don’t deserve to die, despite their culpability. It’s a social problem. B) as this very story teaches us, they’ll do their best to make sure that their nationalistic out-groups—PoC and women this time—will bear the brunt.

I love the indictment of radical liberalism, and the writing is powerful, but I’m bummed to read “not a deliberate genocide”, as it seems to vastly oversimplifies a complex issue that was /absolutely/ rooted in nationalistic hatred. Obv I’m just a novice American citing wiki, but idk, seems clear:

I think this sums up that wall of text p well: > [In 1847], the [New York?] Times reported that Britain had permitted in Ireland "a mass of poverty, disaffection, and degradation without a parallel in the world. It allowed proprietors to suck the very life-blood of that wretched race".

For a modern parallel, consider the possibility of Trump cutting FEMA in general, but withholding such funds entirely from liberal states; yes, there’s a free market ideology there, but it’s *also* being applied unfairly. Now imagine 90% of the landlords in California identified as Texan…

I think that the argument is that there was no specific anti-Irish policy at play, from Westminster Ireland under the Union was part of the same country, if my memory serves me correctly, there was also a collapse in the potato harvest in Scotland. It's much more a combination of factors,...

...including the economic & political norms of the time (including wealthy landowners and merchants exporting food & laissez-faire policies), but also the historical Irish over-reliance upon the potato & the pig, allowing families to subsist on smaller pieces of land as the years passed by...

Shows the importance of elections - the Tory government (which had pursued the standard relief measures of importing food & commissioning public works) was replaced by a Whig administration which combined turbocharged free market capitalism with religious fundamentalism (Providentialism).

Actually, there were no elections in 1846. The Peel government, at least in part reacting to the famine, passed a repeal of the Corn Laws: basically, removing the tariffs on grain entering the UK. This was, actually, a long-standing Whig policy idea: but Peel was committing a heresy as a Tory.

He was able to pass the repeal with Whig support: but he permanently split his Conservative party in the process: despite some attempts at reconciliation, Peelites remained a de facto separate entity until their merger with the Whigs some years later, which formed the Liberal party

After the Tory split, Russel became the PM without an election. Nor did he "win" in 1847: Tories together had a solid plurality, very close to an outright majority. But they were split: so Russell was still able to form the government.

Only read the screenshots, so might agree more if I saw more. But the British hated the Irish, tribally, viscerally. Of course some guilty hates begin only after hurting people (Israelis are perfecting this pathology). But Brits weren't just blinded by technocratic orthodoxy. Their hate cult killed.

i maybe agree with the article in principle but it is definitely forgetting that the famine was 100% brought on by the fact britain saw ireland as Free Real Estate populated by bottom-dwellers whom no one would particularly care would they starve. you can't write racism out of this one.

does the author really believe the irish people just kinda Decided to make 90% of their diet potatoes? that was just a Big Tragic coincidence and not the history of imperial exploitation brought to its ugly logical conclusion? it might as well have been manufactured by the british.

Yes, but, the British elite also hated their own poor, as they do today There is still a very strong belief that poverty, & also illness, are moral failings & self inflicted So yeah they hated/hate all their colonised but they hated/hate their own poor too

It's a different kind of hate that reacts racially. "Genocidal" is a controversial term, but I don't think English hated their own English poor down to being ready to annihilate the babies like they hated the Irish. Yes, probably every colony differed in the intensity of how the hate manifested

True, but they were very happy to repeat the Irish genocide in India & Africa when famines happened I'm not disagreeing that the English landlord class hated the Irish poor, I'm just saying the poor part is a big part of the hate & they didn't hate the wealthy Irish & It hasn't changed much

Tbc I believe they hate all poor, but there is a hierarchial element to it, the Irish poor might have been slightly less hated than the Indian poor, they slightly less than the African poor, but more than the Scottish poor who were in turn hated more than the English poor but the hate was the key

After Brexit there was an idea floated by the likes of Farage that Ireland should be the next ones to throw off the shackles of the evil EU. They seemed surprised at Irish people's lack of enthusiasm to become the UK's smaller weaker trading partner.

I'm reading The Graves are Walking by John Kelly right now. A detailed book about the famine, tons of detail on destructive British policy. It is all so familiar. Many sentiments about the Irish identical to GOP talking points. It didn't end well.

bsky.app/profile/roge... If you have an hour and three-quarters to spare, the documentary I reference here is a good way to learn all you need to know about the #Famine in Ireland. It copiously cites the Atlas mentioned in Fintan's review. #speirgorm #spéirgorm

Roger O'Keeffe@rogerokeeffe.bsky.social

I understood only about four words, and haven't a clue what she was talking about! But I didn't hear anything about cornbread. And 🌽 hasn't had a good press here since #Trevelyan's time. Have a look at this when you have a couple of hours to spare - it was on PBS today: youtu.be/hDtnICdoYaU?...

There is such a dissonance between the common perception (in the US) of the famine and its grotesque anthropogenic architecture. We are aware of the suffering, but don’t grapple with the colonialist, capitalist, and paternalistic causes.

If you’re interested in more, these are two great “sequels”. One about the fight to take back ownership of the land, and the other about how persecuted immigrants in American turned to white supremacy for safety and acceptance. The famine really gave us a historical split worth analyzing.