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Older people who want to pay lower property taxes should be able to downsize into an age-appropriate home that requires less upkeep without having to leave the communities where they raised their families; but they oppose that because they feel entitled to a fixed, unchanging neighborhood character.

crowbegone.bsky.social@crowbegone.bsky.social

If you're 79, living in a mansion, presumably kids have left, and think your taxes are too high, you should probably downsize. I just don't look at an octogenarian standing in front of a 5 bedroom and think "poor him"

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Around my area single story “downsize” homes for retirees are as expensive as the rambling 4/5 bedroom family homes. Unless you buy a fixer-upper, and generally retirees don’t want to spend their golden years renovating.

As a senior it's my experience that most seniors would prefer that no part of life or society change very much from what they're used to and the same will happen to you and everyone you know (who's still alive).

Part is them being nostalgic, like remembering the days going to a department store at a mall to do most of shopping, and wonder why malls are dying in many places.

We may see a day when the right to vote has a lower AND an upper age limit. 18-60? As an 82 yo I would add... FU Max! The super rich have managed to stop paying income taxes altogether while the working poor pay sales tax on nearly every penny the earn. Why not do something about THAT!

I LOVE paying my takes! Yes, taxes should be HIGHER and deductions fewer, especially for the haves, which I am fortunate to be among. Low income housing is not the solution. Decent income is. Maybe pay school teacher a decent wage rather than put them in public housing projects!

Many of us are stuck, there is not much affordable housing. There are millions of boomers who want to downsize but, can’t find a place. Your ageism is really showing.

well maybe your generation shouldn't have spent decades doubling down on suburban/exurban sprawl and keeping it illegal to build anything but that. "but muh property taxes" is just the howard jarvis taxpayers association party line, you haven't even bothered to repackage it.

Old people generally resist all change. Some of it really is a consequence of aging brains that have trouble adapting to changes. They know that other old people need accessible homes, but they like THEIR home in THEIR neighborhood, even if bad knees mean they cant use the second floor anymore.

A good friend of mine is trying to get her parents to leave their suburban 2-story house. Her father can no longer use stairs. He will not move because he "loves that house" but really he's 78 and scared of moving.

my uncle, in his 80s, 5 years widowed. 2 story house (really 3 stories) not handicaped accessible home that he had lived in forever. his son w/wife, kids and a spare bedroom is like a mile away. when his legs failed he literally starves himself to death instead of moving. still bothered by this.

Yeah my sympathy for this train of thought is already strained (why does living anywhere for thirty years grant you special standing over anybody else), but the whole game is really given away by the "I don't actually *care* about my community" part to refuse to pay taxes.

I do not have a problem paying my property taxes and understand why my age is not a rational reason for exemption. Do see some areas were how they are assessed could be adjusted. Like fewer big business exemptions and more for lower income folks where the house is the only real asset.

What you should do if you are concerned about lower income property owners is just give an income tax credit, rather than having a separate property tax structure based upon income. You don't want to change tax law in two places, they'll very rapidly get out of sync.

This is actually very bad because once you're actually old and struggling with housekeeping, it's often too late to move you, because you're so used to the existing house. The best time to move to senior housing is earlier than you think you need to

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Stephen Nuñez@socio-steve.bsky.social

On deep level these people are just rejecting society itself. They do not want to participate. They do not care how society has benefitted and continues to benefit them. They don't care what happens to anyway else.

They want to be 39 and healthy forever. Barring that, they will make life shitty for the 39-year olds actually struggling in the modern world.

The capital gains tax traps seniors in homes when they could downsize. Instead, to protect heirs, they have to die before a sale. Dumb rule. Easy fix if we had a Congress.

if you want to encourage this you create max deductions for 70Yo gets 250k value homestead exemption. anything above that amount gets the going rate. but for the love of god media seriously meeds to stop representing rich people as boomers bc wall street priced millenials out of homeownership

I’m 79 and would love to sell my house in Edmond, Oklahoma! Three bedrooms, 2300 sq ft, recently renovated kitchen, 3 acres for 1.5 million or more!🤷‍♂️

Please everyone recognize the killer situation of my Uncle Bob though, he had the genius idea. He has, since 18, never paid rent. He lived at his workplace (It has high value copper parts and they want someone on-site) in an all-expenses paid for apartment. Now, he lives in a manufactured home.

They are changing the character of the neighborhood by staying. It used to be a place for families with kids at home and now it's not.

Thanks for sharing the article! Writing this was so tricky and interesting for me -- many of the older folks I talked to (including my parents) sincerely want neighborhoods like Rockridge for more people. But they don't recognize that their neighborhood has to change to make it more accessible.

As a policy professional working in this space and a millennial with sometimes development skeptical liberal parents, I really appreciate how you engaged earnestly with the neighborhood activists as human beings while recognizing history and maintaining policy rigor. You wrote the hell out of this 🙌

Any Boston discussion of real estate tax increases has group of seniors managed by activists who show up to every hearing, cry poor because they bought for $90k a home paid off and now worth $900k and electeds kiss their ass because they vote.

TY. Walnut Creek has a ballot measure to allow a high rise senior building near the BART station. We definitely need to rethink and modify Prop.13 and I say this as someone who has reaped its benefits from day 1.

I'm 68. "Over 55" communities should be subject to a national ban. It's despicable that such things are allowed to exist. And anyone my age who whines about property taxes needs punching in the mouth. (We SHOULDN'T fund schools that way, no other country does, but, another rant for another post.)

One unexpected good effect of over 55 housing being built near me is that after 20 years they can open up to everyone, so right now there are a lot of really nice condos becoming available to the general market.

The problem is that downsizing just isn’t really a valid option if you’re the kind of human that gives a shit about your children who can’t afford to buy a house of their own for their family. We still have a mortgage. But our eldest was looking at houses; all houses for sale cost more than ours.

And with 30 year mortgages, if we sold that house, got a smaller one and gave the rest as a down payment to our eldest, she’d be paying the equivalent of what we sold it for over time with interest over 30 years. If we just finish paying it off, she gets a nice house in time to raise her family.