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This isn't NIMBY, & calling it so is a really bad take. Data centers affect everyone on the same power grid, deplete water, spoil beloved rec areas, take up farmland, devalue property, spew toxins, make noise/vibration, & are ugly AF. In exchange they provide 0 benefit. They should be banned.

bsky.app/profile/carl... These are not typical, not just because the companies who are building them are irresponsible and inefficient, but because they're so massive. When the AI bubble bursts they will be unreusable eyesores, and a lot of resources will have been sucked up by them.

Carl Quintanilla@carlquintanilla.bsky.social

EL RENO, Okla. — A damaged private water line at a data center in El Reno caused more than 3 million gallons of water to be wasted this week, prompting the city to issue emergency abatement and public nuisance notices. www.koco.com/article/el-r...

Your overall point is great, but agents did not "go rogue" and "hack" huggingface; that's just straight up repeating AI company slopaganda

THIS ⬆️ And the AI companies spread this kind of propaganda to avoid responsibility for their actions. They want to convince people there are little conscious gremlins in the box doing all the bad things they WANT to do, but ofc, would never ever really do, not them 👼

There was a hack; it was not fundamentally different than an actual person at OpenAI sending malware, and should be treated as such. Nothing went rogue; "agents" did not hack.

Very solid take which explains why we have had them for 70 years, built hundreds over the past decades, use them daily without reservation, and no one said a word or thought about them or pushed back in nearly any way until now.

And you get to pair that with - data centers don't *actually* create many jobs - if a data center goes in and your utilities go up, guess who's getting the blame (regardless of how much it actually causes it)

An additional element here is the way datacenters are being forced into small communities where they are (a) very noticeably not part of the landscape, and (b) obtaining permits in very undemocratic and corrupt ways, because they are in a hurry and don't respect the locals.

This makes logical sense, but the weird thing is we don't see a backlash against "tech" - Google is still extremely popular with the public, Meta less so but still very popular, etc. But there's massive outrage about the data centers, which I find a little hard to square still.

I think @doctorow.pluralistic.net makes a good point in his book that the ridiculous claims about AI were aimed at a couple of hundred investors rather than us. What they didn't quite work out was what the rest of us would think because we live here too and have eyes and ears

A huge issue in politics, academia, medicine as well is that a bunch of people seem to have forgotten that when you say something in public to appeal to one group, people not in that group can also listen to it!