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would love to hear even a single actual argument about how AI "changes the nature of humanity" not based in fanciful speculation

Demonstrating reasoning and language capabilities in computers alters our understanding of self, even if we don't particularly like the alteration

I disagree with your fundamental premise. The fact that a machine trained on billions of real conversations online can mimic reasoning does nothing to alter my understanding of self. And you haven't given any argument as to why it should.

This is the crux of the debate, right? Whether it's doing mimicry or reasoning. I struggle to see how you could view it as purely mimicry. It has to tie together multiple novel thoughts in a logical construction to create its responses.

This perhaps says something about the logic inherent in language, or in the surprising observation that compression has an equivalence to intelligence due to the nature of what prediction means, but here we are: the LLMs work through novel questions and scenarios regularly

That's a meaningless statement. People task AIs with working through scenarios and answering questions. Some of those problems are incredibly complex but at no point are we seeing anything but machine accomplishing a given task. There's no motivation or independent reasoning .

I mean yeah but that *in itself* is weird in a way that changes how we think about ourselves, right? That a language prediction system with no motivation or independent reasoning per se is capable of all of this.

If you told someone a decade ago that in ten years giant statistical models of human language would be capable of hacking computers with very little in the way of human direction, people would ask if you were high.

People could never imagine a machine doing what it was designed to do.

People did not think that it would become possible to create a machine to do this as quickly as it did.

Actually, the people who built and designed it did think that. People have been thinking about machines capable of even more for a very long time.

*Yes* *they* *Did* you're just dramatically over stating the level it's capability after the fact because you've bought what it's being advertised as, not what it is. It's a fucking product being sold to you.

Okay, what level of capability do you think I attribute to LLMs? Because I don't think I've made any claims about their abilities that aren't just... citing things that literally happened, so I'm not sure how I'm overstating.

You can read the thread you are posting in.

Who is "they" here, because I can remember sitting in graduate-level cognitive science seminars as recently as the mid-2010s hearing people confidently say that image/video generation from text was a huge outstanding problem that wouldn't be solved for decades.

Damn, a decade ago someone told you something wouldn't happen for a decade and now here we are, a decade later, and that thing has happened? Time be crazy like that.