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I can't take anyone willingly supporting the Nazi platform seriously. I hate that there are still some decent progressive politicians that can't quit it.

That’s all true, but it’s still better that the partial exodus happened than not.

I mean, I don’t know much about US elections, but there seems to be a huge snapback against the right in all the polling…by your logic about social media sites, is that because of the emergence of BlueSky?

It was a very confusing and depressing experience, I couldn’t find my friends anywhere? I stayed at both, I knew those big accounts would return, it’s always about the profits and never and not a commitment.

You say "lib echo chamber", I say space relatively free from disinformation, gaslighting, and fake news, where evidence is still treated as proof of reality. However, it does serve as a record of witness, where people who still believe in facts can be reassured they're not crazy.

You contradict yourself. 'The Left' shouting at one another implies disagreement, which is the exact opposite of an Echo Chamber. Can you make up your mind? #idiot

Didn't take you as pro-X, but can't agree on the fishbowl. Suggest instead: link from Bluesky as much as possible, and ask all shops & media "hey, where's your Bluesky link?" Normalize it. Twitter was FB's quirky little rival until it wasn't. Ironically, Trxmp helped normalize Twitter!!

That’s why liberals and leftists are always arguing on here: The fact that this platform is exclusively inhabited by “libs.”

...people who are ideologically aligned to you.

All of those people have their own moral and intellectual agency. It is not solely a platform or culture’s fault that they have moved the way they are. They have made again and again many choices to be who they are.

Nope. X had my visibility cut off after he enacted his ludicrous “everyone gets validated for cash” nonsense. It was pointless to post unless I paid Musk money for nothing.

I think it would! If only a little. But again, I'm not asking anyone to do that because it's f'ing miserable.

The assumption that action and coalescing of a more focused opinion and opposition isn't happening . Plan 2025 is transforming to "We the People : 2029" here. Are you hungry for some action or immediate results ?

I appreciate that you're trying to be fair here but I'd have to dispute this as well. All of the libs here still being on X to "balance out" the far right there wouldn't make a difference because Musk has fundamentally geared the place to suppress them and amplify the far right

Nothing is worse than Musk’s trash. It’s 4-Chan in disguise. Progressive voices get drowned in that vile algorithm. And I’m not giving his wretched Grok more information. How on earth do we benefit by visiting a platform that drowns us out? We can discuss real issues with sane folks here.

Bot are not users,. . Big Tech lies all the time.

The drain of libs from X is inconsequential. Left-wing posts are systematically repressed in the algorithm and far-right content is boosted. X would not be in any better shape if prominent libs stayed on there to get 40-60 likes per post

This obviously not Bsky's *fault* or the fault of anyone on it. (This obsession with how to apportion blame is one of the weirder aspects of this particular pile-on.) And obviously it's not going to help anything for people to go back to X! It's toxic. More people should leave it!

Damnit man you were almost there. No, it is not "worse for everyone." Maybe society is worse off for it, but many of us are happier here and not on X. Everyone means everyone! Stop shoehorning.

Normies are here. Normies have no interest in normalizing child porn and AI slop. Normies are not maga. Maga is not normal at all

Thanks but my life is better without X. I wish I had left sooner. Would the world be a better place if X was the only choice? I don't know, but it feels weird to argue that a monopoly in social media is the key to democratic discourse.

The truth is we’d all be better off without these platforms. I’ve closed every SM platform except for Bsky, which i can’t seem to quit because it’s my last connection to the online world and I keep thinking I’m going to miss something critical if I abandon it.

But is the exodus finished? I think there's still time. And maybe we can ask the prominent journos and normies if it's time for them..

Well obviously it's worse than pre-Musk twitter, no one's arguing that. The whole bluesky project is just trying to get is partway back to pre-Musk twitter after it was wrecked

In other words. You know fuck all. X is a far right Nazi and bot site. I've not missed a thing since I left. If you are so upset, go back.

“Normies” is another term for liberal. It’s not normal to support anything to do with Trumpism whatsoever

There’s also the risk that with W Social - a further backlash against the radicalisation of X and American foreign policy under trump 2025 - the fish bowls proliferate and useful discourse is further diminished

They can have it. I don’t care and will never go back there.

Maybe you just are the problem that needs to accept that they were always on the right and that is why they stay there. #maledelusion

Many of them can't precisely because they are up the ass of X!

There is nothing interesting or important enough on Twitter to convince any normal person to remain there. Before Elmo I used to use it for breaking news but Bluesky gets that done for me now without the 80% bots and bullshit. The noise to signal ratio on Twitter has always been too high

Elon's malign effect on the body politic is bigger than X.

What is the mechanism that is dragging the mainstream journos to the right? 1) Is it because they are karma farming to keep their "likes" up? 2) Is it because they are getting swayed by their followers & the comments? 3) Is X paying them to remain on the site? Influenced by pymts. 4) Other?

I have no use for "journalists" that move with the tied of their audience of losers, foreign troll farms and bots. They aren't journalists, their commentators or influencers.

what's needed is a sufficient failure event to make more people give up on X, and I personally think Elon is up to the challenge of permanently breaking something

No, its not an echo chamber. That is pernicious fake-realist bullshit. There is a lot of disagreement that goes on. I've been blocked by Jamelle Bouie! So I call bullshit on the echo chamber. It is certainly a narrower range of opinion but that doesn't mean pre-programmed automatons. Lame post bro.

We are here educating each other, like we did on twitter, & have chosen to forego most of the tit for tat arguing with people who have bricks for brains. Anyway, if someone is looking to "build a brand" Intstagram & Youtube exist

Too many libs. This site was so much better when it was just a bunch of weird, naked communists.

This whole lib echo chamber shit cracks me the fuck up. Actually educated people tend dot have the most diverse views. Ever heard of the concept two Jews 5 opinions!?! I mean this shit is hilarious.

They can’t be reasoned with, which is why we’re stuck in this mess. And X is part of the reason.

“… exactly this.” … this … this …

Only libs? There’s tons of socialists, leftists and even anarchists who absolutely hate libs on here.

My guy the head moderator of this site is a transphobic freak who bans rape victims.

I agree with most of your rephrasing nuance except this post. The discourse is certainly more of a range from moderate centrist to far left but I don't know how the platform can be an echo chamber when every single part of this spectrum is at war with one another over ideas.

Bluesky isn't an echo chamber unless rational discourse is an echo chamber. I exclude the many leftist-conspiracy-theorists and civil-war-advocating-nutcases also to be found here, who differ from their counterparts on "Twitter" only in that they are generally better at grammar and spelling.

That the people who choose to block disingenuous, “just sayin” arguments tend to be liberal isn’t bluesky’s fault. If it’s a liberal echo chamber, it’s because conservatives can’t stand being held to any sort of standard, whether social or academic. Idiocracy is their goal. SM can’t fix that.

To be fair, Xcrement has become an echo chamber for Fascists, rapists and paedophiles. If MSM wishes to push that (and many appear to) there isn't much any of us can do. There are plenty of those types on BlueSky, but blocking works successfully here.

Feel free to leave. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

Echo chamber? C’mon. I don’t need to hear from intellectual and moral failures, and that is all right wingers are.

You don't get it. We WANT an echo chamber. It's nice to be able to share info, learn new things from each other. And not be piled on by right wingers and bots. B/S does suffer from an angry leftist problem, and they can be as nasty as MAGA, but there's less of them. I block, and vote, liberally

I don't think the situation on X would really be that much different had Bluesky not existed. Left voice would have been substantially diminished on that platform regardless. I think Bluesky's dynamic is more consequence than cause.

You aren’t wrong here. This site is mainly left leaning folks.

I've seen this exact playbook before on social media: 1. online forum is deemed bad for certain interests 2. heavy handed moderation brought in to crush dissent 3. dissenters move to smaller forum where they can be sniped like corralled animals 4. dissent dissipates

We all KNOW this. We lived it. So what’s your point, we stay there and be troll and bot fodder? Thanks, I’ll just be over here on my island, not listening to a fucking stupid minority who falsely believe they’re the majority.

And that’s exactly why the United States will never have any accountability for Trump and Trumpists, even if you can get them out of power. Some small faction will act in a principled manner, and “lots & lots of prominent people, journos” will undermine it.

I gotta say, man, I really do respect your work. I've been reading your stuff for a while and it's good. But this is a significant goal-post transport from "they" "corralled" the left.

“… remains crazy …” crazy … crazy …

It's hard to build up your timeline again, I get that, they just don't want to go through the process of starting over, because that's what you have to do. It takes time. They think they're communicating to people over there, but they're not

We know what happened. We all had a great thing going on twitter & then a maniacal oligarch threw a boulder in the water & scattered us all over everywhere. Some of us ended up here

Then it’s really Musk who bears responsibility for the degredation of politics, along with the people who stayed on Xitter. Bluesky was inevitable, given the exodus from Xitter. But it was caused by the degradation of politics—it isn’t contributing to it.

I stayed for awhile, with no engagement, hoping for I don’t know what, but deleted the app ages ago. I know of accounts that raise money for charity on x and that’s the only reason they stay. I’m still finding the accounts of people I followed, over there, on bsky.

You recognize it’s a nazi site. That alone is reason for decent folk to shun it. I don’t see our society being improved by more people spending time on a Nazi site.

I'm sorry if I was part of the pile-on. I get your point. In life and in politics I try to play the cards I'm dealt and avoid ruminating about how things would be if the cards were different. But I see now you're not blaming the shelter that Mom fled to but rather bemoaning the situation in toto. ✌️

They stayed, but somehow they (what-/who-ever) kept their rep with you? Every single person, media, etc. that stayed there just showed their true standpoint. And yes, there are a lot of disappointments. But I'd rather know and act on true colors than be misled by camouflage of honest intent.

This is exactly the problem. Everywhere you look, x or meta or amazon. There is no pressure to get off the oligarch platforms and no one feels a sense of shame for being there. Same neoliberal mindset, more comfortable with facists than leftists.

And this is why you fallaciously suggested the level of attention would be better on Twiitter Fuck man, that’s some seriously weak tea

Yes, but that's the conclusion, though, right? That those people/institutions have gone mask off in a way by showing their hands and staying on an explicitly right wing site, exposing them as right leaning or not caring about the state of X and its users and/or would have gone right no matter what?

Remember folks, the same man who has a Jewish son and says nazis are evil is also a nazi. Lol!

Because X does not promulgate Nazi propaganda as you thought.

Sports not leaving Twitter/X I think was the big tipping point that never happened. A lot of good sports journalists are here, which is great, but the overwhelming majority of sports conversation still happens over there.

Wrong. Anyone that matters left X. No one cares about those posting crap and shouting into the void on X.

What I've learned is in practice people are very willing to compromise on their values if it inconveniences them otherwise. And those that don't compromise and ended up here are mostly assholes about it.

yes, very disappointing - their presence gives the platform legitimacy

And those "journslists" moved right to give their audience what they want?