C. Thi Nguyen

C. Thi Nguyen

@add-hawk.bsky.social

Philosophy professor. My new book is THE SCORE, about true play, the limits of data - and why scoring systems can lead to beautiful games and soul-killing metrics.

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You sweat in your basement for years writing a book, working that nobody will ever read it - or that they will think you are a complete raving idiot, but then you read an astonishing, soul-warming, got-everything review like this and suddenly you feel like your whole life is not actually a waste.

Tim Clare@timclare.bsky.social

I have a new review in @theguardian.com today, & contrived to write it in such a way they illustrated it with Mario Odyssey. Very happy. It's of C Thi Nguyen's new nonfiction The Score - an excellent game-related book that... well, just read the review: www.theguardian.com/books/2026/j...

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Social media doesn't just feed you bad information. It trains you in how to treat information: who to trust, how much evidence is enough, what counts as a good explanation. And it trains you for a world that doesn't exist. New @PPR (yay!) and free here: philpapers.org/rec/FLOBMS

doi.orgBeyond Misinformation: Social Media and the Sculpting of Epistemic AgencyThe dominant account of social media's epistemic harms focuses on the spread of misinformation and the production of false beliefs at scale. This paper argues that the misinformation narrative, whate...

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Wile E. Coyote, despaired, takes a bucket of paint and a brush and paints a beautiful two-bedroom house on a mountainside. He paints a beautiful coyote wife in the window, and two adorable coyote kids running around in the yard. He tries to enter this new coyote life, but it is inaccessible to him

Mel sez: “The nice thing about daylight savings time now is that everything clicks over automatically and you don’t even need to think about it. Only the oven remembers.” ONLY THE OVEN REMEMBERS

I got to chat with Sam Anderson while I was writing, and he gave me the most important advice I got: which was to trust your reader, because they're smart, they're generous, and they want to be there.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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Anyway: here's to my students. They took it seriously, they argued it out, and they came up with something that I doubted at first, but ended admiring more than any system I've designed on my own.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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In general the class vibe was: that they knew they were going into a work environment in which AI would be a tempting tool, and that some of them would want to use it in various ways, but that they also wanted to have systems to keep them honest about actually developing real thinking skills.

And I think... it mostly worked? I mean, I'm sure the system is cheatable to somebody who was trying to break it. But for a system designed to mostly get students actually engaged in the critical act of thinking, without a punitive ChatGPT detection system... it was... really good?

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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(PS, we also stole a thing I've been doing for other reasons as protection for my soul. I have traditionally said I will default give students medium-intensity comments, but students can request lighter commenting or heavier commenting.

We decided I should do a default light-commenting, and hopefully anybody that AI-wrote the final paper wouldn't request heavier commenting, and it would save me from heavily commenting on an AI paper.)

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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And it was... amazing? Like, the quality of discussion was extremely high, students ended up doing a ton of live thinking and live tweaking and pushing on each other. It wasn't the same as writing, but it most of the students were seriously thinking, and pushing, and applying.

Their idea and goal was to keep each other honest about actually understanding the material by demanding repeated presentations to each other in class.... and it mostly worked?

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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The second workshop was one in which they wanted me to break them into working groups based around similar topics, where they would continue to workshop, refine, and throw ideas at each other.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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I often run, in the past, a kind of traditional workshop structure. They come in with an outline of their paper, and workshop it. Then a draft, then workshop it. Etc.

They hammered out a much more complicated set of group workshops, participation in which would constitute the majority of their final project grade. The first workshop was a "brainstorming" workshop, where they mixed up cases they were interested with theories, and helped each other design papers.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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By the midpoint of the class, I was pretty bitter. It actually started looking like a counterexample to the ideal of inclusive democracy. That maybe I should go back to being the authoritarian technocrat, that my teaching experience was much more important.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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A majority of the groups came up with some kind of process that emphasized live, in-class interactions, and non-AI-usable live interaction. Since I gave them the constraint that I didn't have time to orally examine each one separately, they came up with various group in-class exercises.

Then they presented - and the miserable compromises came. A lot of them hated each others' suggestions and they ended up cobbling together what looked to me like a terrible, misshapen assignment structure of what looked to me like BS-filled group participation assignments, at cross-purposes.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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Two general themes they agreed on immediately: 1. If they used AI for everything, they would learn nothing, and come out of college with no valuable skills, and be replaceable by an AI. 2. All available AI detection software was unreliable and unjust. (I agree with this.)

The discussion process was amazing. It created some of the best and most engaged conversations in class I've had. My theory is that I *staked* the conversation - I made it important, and put my money where my mouth was by giving them real power, and real consequences.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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I told them they needed to give me a ChatGPT policy, and if there was a ban, they needed to give me a method of detection and enforcement. I also told them if this ended up with me carefully commenting on mostly AI-written papers, I would probably quit the profession.

Students seemed to take it super seriously. A few wanted to abuse the power to design an easy class, but the vast majority seemed invested in thinking about what they wanted out of education, what skills they needed in the new era, and what assignments were *for*.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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And as I was doing all this, I started to think: why haven't I done this before? Isn't it a form of hypocrisy to have a class where I worry about authoritarian systems - and then to impose my own assignment structure without any input from those it rules?

Qualification: 60% of the class evaluation was based around semi-traditional in-class exams. I was letting them design the "final project" assignment which was about 30% of the class. So: not a complete democracy. Sorry.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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This was crucial - it really primed students to be concerned about what parts of their skill - and what parts of their humanity - might erode if they unthinkingly used automation. It set the tone in I think a crucial way.

We also did a bunch of work on democratic inclusiveness, and various theories that the point of democracy is that no single authority can account for all the important reasons. That every single participant in a society has a different angle, a different form of relevant knowledge.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

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Background: this is for a cross-listed class, that was both Tech and Design Ethics, and Political Philosophy. As part of the run-up, we read a bunch of stuff about the impact of technology and automation on human skill and learning. In particular, we read @shannonvallor.bsky.social on deskilling.

Vallor's paper really hit the students hard - it was about up-skilling cases where automation replaces a useless skill and gives us more time, vs. cases where automation replaces a crucial skill and de-skills us, makes us fall out of practice. Her core cases are about AI-based moral judgment.

Last term I tried an experiment: I walked into my Tech and Design Ethics class, admitted that I had *no idea* what to do about ChatGPT - so I would let them figure it out. As in: their first project was to decide and write the ChatGPT policy for the class. Here's what happened:

My proposal: as the first project, students groups would propose different policies for ChatGPT use in their final project, including radically restructuring the final project. Because things might have to change, deeply. And then they would argue, and vote, and I would do whatever they said.

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New ETV is out for everyone! I'm joined by @add-hawk.bsky.social to discuss his new book The Score. Really fun chat on the nature of games, the challenges of society at scale, and whether the problem is bigger than just capitalism. Enjoy!

voidpod.comThe Score with C. Thi Nguyen — Embrace The VoidMy returning guest this week is C. Thi Nguyen, a professor of philosophy at the University of Utah, and author of the new book The Score: How to Stop Playing Somebody Else’s Game .  We discuss t...

It’s book release day! I’m back on social media! I feel slightly awkward about it because part of the book is about how social media transforms your motivations for communication! But honestly writing a book is lonely, weird basement-work, and now I want to talk to people about this weird jank.

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new paper by Sean Westwood: With current technology, it is impossible to tell whether survey respondents are real or bots. Among other things, makes it easy for bad actors to manipulate outcomes. No good news here for the future of online-based survey research