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Please point out the word "all" in Ari's post

I remember the video of a different suicidal person who set himself on fire. Police response was to point the gun at the flailing corpse and shout orders at it . I argue that this hostile response was far worse than ignoring the burning target because it is a insult to injury. PUT OUT THE FIRE!

This has happened before, when police refused to act during a crime, and they were told they didn't have to endanger themselves.

There was a video posted to Twitter. I wish I hadn't seen it, but the cop walking by the open door ignoring her burning was the most unimaginable scene.

Dudes not even shouting “stop drop & roll.” Not being facetious there. That shit was drilled into me as a kid. I remember being taught to tackle someone at the knees to get them on the ground and roll them if they wouldn’t SD&R themselves

Between this, Uvalde and unchecked gang activity, I don't know if cops make society safer or better.

I have some issues with how the cops behave in every city. It's not just NYC.

its so incredibly twisted too. all the articles are about these 'brave heroic cops who died or were injured in the line of duty' and they have conveniently stopped mentioning the fact they killed a kid, a cop and destroyed like 3 cars "because they like chasing people"

I did not know this. Holy shit.

I think Shayla Colon's story in @nytimes.com addresses this: www.nytimes.com/2024/12/24/n...

Please don't make me tap the sign bsky.app/profile/aric...

WTF..?..!

What is the expectation of "help" here? The victim was fully engulfed & (in reality) dead when the police arrived. Police aren't superhuman and have no super powers. That officer probably understood the victim was already dead, and was obviously looking for a fire extinguisher. Bad take here.

NYPD cops only protect their own and capital. And they serve us bullshit.

Can you share link to reporting there was a cop on board? I can’t find anything mentioning. Each story says they were nearby and went when they saw the smoke and got extinguisher.

Cops only serve and protect when it’s in their own best interest.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Really? Jesus Christ almighty

And the mayor

Learning that was one of many times I audibly said “are you fucking kidding me” during law school. Maybe cops should change the slogan from “Protect and Serve” if they’ll let you burn to death.

Chicago police doctrine says they do.

what duty do they have if not serve and protect?

They have no duty is the lamest excuse.

Ari right now

It’s fun how a series of Rehnquist decisions resulted in a world where the cops have no duties to any civilian, but do have a functionally absolute dictatorship over any civilians that cross their parh

See also this. www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/s...

I found you again!

Reading about this case i reflexively dropped my phone - visceral reaction I’m so naive Ugh, but actually thanks

Didn’t SCOTUS say cops are not obligated to take unnecessary risks to protect people?

Unfortunately, half of America still trusts the press because most of it feeds us what we wanna hear. We believe whatever they say because most people are too lazy to find out for themselves.

What is this fine officer’s name?

Hell, one article said "police rushed to assist". 🙃

Radio Lab did an episode back in 2020 about a horrific stabbing where police watched from behind a glass door. Before that, I had no idea that all the thin blue line postering was just performative BS. radiolab.org/podcast/no-s...

Who arrested the guy who lit her on fire? You? What bystanders helped her? None. I assume you either did not vote or voted for Trump. Surely you did not vote for that longstanding law enforcement official Kamala Harris—formerly the lead L. E. Official for the state of California.

Hasn’t SCOTUS confirmed that they have no obligation to help?

i'm asking if the video going around is some kind of AI based on the censored video, so not real.

Exactly. This is the literal worst. Except I fear it is really just the literal worst SO FAR.

It's the second most horrific detail of the story. It's stunning

😳💔

He had a heavy jacket on. He could have gotten her down, smothered, and rolled

Fuck the cops. It’s disgusting how the corrupt system fails the public. I trust cops even less since the civil rights unrest in 2020. But I also can’t fault anyone with no fire extinguisher for not wanting to throw themselves onto a flaming victim. Tell yourself you’d do differently. I don’t buy it.

I'm pretty sure cops don't just feel no obligation, they are literally not obligated to do anything to protect people.

ACAB

They didn't do anything? I'm slowly reaching the conclusion that cops don't make society any safer.

Ever since the SCOTUS conservatives decided that the police aren't obligated to do their jobs ("serve and protect") if they don't want to, law enforcement has turned into even more of an extortion racket.

What about civilian onlookers? I've heard that was part of the scene as well. If so, this shame is on several folks.

Yep. That was going to be my next example. Or DV, or SA, even traffic management. They suck at it and won't let anyone claw it away. Meanwhile... TRUMP: Arrest all them Mexicans! CITY: We don't pay you to be doing that POLICE: Stop defunding us!

EVERY JUDGE, EVERY LEGAL COUNSEL: Wage theft is theft CITY: Go make the arrest POLICE: No CITY: Now the new Labor Enforcement Department will do it POLICE: Stop defunding us!

As an Italian this sounds reaaaally close to the mafia.

The fact that the left knows cops can be this bad, and knows that Trump & Co are going to push the US towards fascism with force, makes me even more perplexed that Dems make excessive gun control for people who follow every law a part of their platform and a hill they’ll die on.

By law, pigs are not legally-obligated to help or protect people.

Was he... how exactly does one shoot a fire out?

Gotta link? (Not that I am doubting you, but I blog.)

The upshot was that their duty is to investigate crimes that have happened. I think of this every time there's an appeal for increased funding and paramilitary gear for police. Maybe we should have detectives and community officers that walk beats and don't carry lethal weapons.

Having a police force that works to protect its citizens is commie talk

What happened??

WTF??

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RW narrative: NYC subway is a hellhole, you can get BURNED ALIVE by riding it! Us: Well, there was a cop RIGHT THERE, so maybe they could have done ... something?

Yeah, we need protections against police. Unfortunately it's still extremely unpopular to say anything remotely like that or come up with safeguards. People watched too much copaganda

The woman who was WHAT NOW O_O

The women was apparently not a CEO?

Maybe that ought to be changed. Do you curs still live in a democracy or what?

The city has similar protections from being sued like the dtate or feds but not as extensive and cops have a pretty broad swath of immunity. Cops are just lazy fucks

Source?

It's like 50 years of NYC police corruption doesn't matter.

Already posted this but here again x.com/TiffanyFong_...

not the most beloved source here, properly so, but the nyt mentions it as being on the video most of us are unwilling to subject ourselves to

it's on the Nazi site! I never would have looked there, but I appreciate you going there for me--thank you for your sacrifice...and the link. much appreciated :-)

Per the NYT, both accounts are true: officers stationed a little bit away eventually responded appropriately, while the cop who was RIGHT THERE never lifted a finger.

Yeah, it's not that they "don't feel like it", they officially are allowed to not give a f See here : www.salon.com/2022/05/27/u...

To be honest, from IEDs and shit I've seen in theater, that lady was either dead or wished she was while standing there. There wasn't fuck all anyone could do at that point. Having been burned, it's a real fucked experience, and anyone that burned would rather die.

I'm playing devil's advocate, and 🤷‍♂️ cause 🖕 the 🚓 1-The call was probably already out 2-I think he heading for the extinguisher, I don't think he saw a human standing due to shock 3-Securing the scene looks like standing around

It does highlight the fact that the subway would be more secure if it was patrolled by fire-extinguishers-wielding paramedics than with cops though. And yes ACAB.

The guy didn’t leave the area and they still didn’t see him there. NYPD is having a heck of a month.

We need to fire every last one. Police culture needs to be destroyed before it can be reconstructed.

I would understand that maybe if he had something to extinguish the fire he could have helped (and if he did, then shame on him for not helping) but i don't really see what he could do besides freak out like everyone else if he isn't specially equipped for dealing with fires like a pokemon

Well let me tell you about the kind of person who becomes a police officer in the US…

Not only did nothing, walked past like he was at the park, with ZERO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of the situation! Like he was walking past a squirrel or something. Sociopath behavior. Notwithstanding a person on fire, how about a subway car fire and it spreading? WTAF???

I remember. But I also remember that the police force was founded to protect property, not people. It was literally never about protecting people.

If you make a statement, back it up.