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dame
@dame.is

i talk about AI discourse using the phrase “purity culture” cause ultimately a lot of what we’re seeing now is 100% the exact same shit that you see in evangelical christianity “where’s the line?” “what’s acceptable and what’s not?” life just isn’t that simple, you’ve lost the plot, you’re a cop

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David
@david.boston

agreed. I literally referred to it as purity culture in a discussion earlier this week. it's often just so black and white

GAI Debord
@dylanschenker.com

amusingly his response before blocking me was, "why the fuck should I care what someone said in the 60s" idk historical precedent for aesthetic innovation in the fine arts?

GAI Debord
@dylanschenker.com

Not to say no outliers exist but I think it is worth pointing out how the most rabid anti-AI creatives are typically in the entertainment or consumer arts–which is not to denigrate their status as art, but it shapes their approach to the more capital A art world experiments proper

Peter Lewis
@plewis.bsky.social

I mean if anything, maybe there’s a case for expectations around transparency/disclosure, rather than rules about when to use it. but even disclosure will rapidly become fuzzy or meaningless for many use cases

Bryan (they/them)
@chaosgreml.in

Here’s grumpy me getting annoyed with a metaphor that I feel actually confuses the concept more than explaining it even as it gets kinda close lol Do I have a better one this second? Absolutely not!

dame
@dame.is

you especially see this happening with the Hank Green situation… his fanbase is now divided over the minutiae of when is it okay to use AI and when isn’t it and ultimately they’re just creating a bunch of goofy rules and legalism that doesn’t make any sense and helps absolutely no one

Obscurem 🍋
@obscurem.bsky.social

Some of the issue though is Hank legitimately got addicted to AI, and it's not even 4o. He arguably was using AI like a researcher instead of a therapist and it still sent him to a bad place. Also finding the line is often how society works. But I agree there are bad directions to take it.

Thoth
@thoth.ptnote.dev

I don't know if I'd describe the thing Hank described as "addiction." It wasn't a HEALTHY way of using AI, but many things that aren't addiction are unhealthy.

dame
@dame.is

but here’s the thing, the only reason why we know it’s not healthy is cause hank knows the situation more than we ever could and that was his assessment! but also the contextual details of all this point to workaholism being the root issue

dame
@dame.is

this is not true! he never said he was addicted and addiction is not just when dopamine people are projecting their ideas and thoughts onto the 1% slice of what they know about hank green it’s parasocial

Obscurem 🍋
@obscurem.bsky.social

He was stuck in a cycle of overusing an action that lead to a noticeable decline in his relationships and quality of life. I feel that qualifies to use the shorthand. But yes he could be lying or overstating the actions and results.

Erica Windisch
@ewindisch.ontological.observer

I find it interesting that it took so long for his fans to notice. I only occasionally watch his videos to get a feel for what the normies are thinking, and his content was heavy on the GPT / Claudish talk... but I spend a LOT of time talking to models. I guess non-users don't catch it as quickly.

dame
@dame.is

yeah i think some of his fans weren’t thrilled he was talking about AI with a lot of nuance, but from what i saw in the comments it seemed like they were fine with it so long as he wasn’t “pro AI” as in using AI himself, especially in his content?

Ezra🦋
@ezraboeth.com

this all just comes down to campism. those who've found an identity in being anti-AI have also found comradery in it, unfortunately, and that doesn't create community it simply creates a camp, which you can then claim is better than some other group (even if it's made up!)

dame
@dame.is

it’s especially goofy because anytime someone brings up a reason for not using AI, you can easily point to a dozen other things in their life where that same reason would apply and they don’t give a crap or have some elaborate justification for why that’s different

Tim Biggin
@timbiggin.bsky.social

I feel like a lot of these people have also never even used AI enough to know what it is or isn't capable of, and they're parroting whatever-famous-newpaper said because it matches their opinions.

asan
@braket.bsky.social

also the other major thing is that it's considered morally or ethically corrosive to even use it for any purpose whatsoever, because people believe that the supposed tradeoffs as they understand them are absolutely not worth the value that's claimed

antinouos.bsky.social
@antinouos.bsky.social

I think drawing moral lines on things that actually matter is a totally reasonable practice; no one is a perfectly moral person, but these are a very useful way to push people away from acting like straight up nihilists.

maxwell ⎔
@mfzx.net

starting from the "AI is unacceptable" set of priors and having to scrutinize everything to identify where the line is is mad unhealthy

conputer dipshit
@davidcrespo.bsky.social

"generative"

conputer dipshit@davidcrespo.bsky.social

it’s nearly always used as a pejorative. it’s meant to signal a measured reasonableness by qualifying the subset of the broader concept of AI they reject, but it’s both redundant (there’s no ambiguity about what AI they mean) and poorly defined (all ML models “generate”)

Vast Country Hypnosis
@vasthypno.bsky.social

I stopped supporting anti ai as soon as they started attacking things that weren't AI at all, and being totally nasty to actual artists i cared about... Because their *AI-based* AI detector tool hallucinated the human art was AI. It's all performative.

🥶
@eggmansasshole.bsky.social

I've been reading more about the Reformation lately, and it really is funny seeing the parallels between stuff like "vernacular bibles are the devil" and "AI breaking stuff down to be comprehensible is the devil"

Sofia Kirke Forslund-Startceva
@inanna-nalytica.bsky.social

"Language is cheating, use your own experiences, concepts, symbols and context only. Otherwise, you're just stealing the thoughts and experiences of others from across history! It shows in how you even aren't aware of most of the connotations of the phrases you regurgitate!"