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Honestly, I'd look at this a different way: Not everybody can do high skilled jobs. Some can't even do ANY job. Why should they be punished with poverty because of it?

Never worked as a waiter. I don't think I can even fathom the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to make things run as smoothly as they do, especially when it's busy

Unskilled labor is what is created when you stop kids from having nutritious food, take away all chances of a good education, keep their parents working 3 jobs, and make sure they are one health check up away from poverty. Unskilled labor is real only because we prevent them from getting skills.

fast food, amazon, starbucks, not exactly essential, and does indeed take no real skill to do, literally anyone could be taught the job in a day at most to a satisfactory point, not sure why there's bricklaying and farmer there though cause those are actual skills that take time to time to get right

The issue is people are conflating unskilled with unimportant but the fact that matter is a lot of these simple skills do have a low wage ceiling because you wouldn’t accept paying these people more money if it started to inconvenience you,

For example, let’s take something simple like eggs if a carton of eggs used to cost two dollars, but they had to increase the six dollars because if they wanted to pay a person stocking those eggs more you would be upset because now the item you love so much cost more see it all the time

Cause every time somebody suggest that they pay these individuals more and it comes up in actual political discussion, person just like you will always suggest that it doesn’t go above what you make cause you hold your position higher than theirs

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"unskilled labor" is not a value judgement of the labor or laborer, but rather a description fact that some sorts of labor requires significantly less training than others, driving down wages for the former relative to the later because it is more easily replaced. 1/

This phenomenon predates the terminology, and would continue to exist just the same even if the terminology was forgotten. Even Marx discussed the phenomenon in Das Kapital! To actually improve the wages for those performing unskilled labor today you'd need to somehow make them less replaceable. 2/

Policies that could actually accomplish this include strengthening unions, lowering unemployment, various worker protections, and moving the economy towards more skilled labor overall (e.g. by making education/training easier to access and encouraging automation of unskilled labor where possible)3/3

That's the thing: the "unskilled" Marx was referring to in Das Capital were people who could not read or write and couldn't count higher than their toes. He was NOT referring to "People who don't have bachelors degrees in something other than humanities" as is now used today.

In both cases it is used to refer to "labor that could be done by most of the workforce without prior experience/significant training time", which, yes, can change meaning depending on the overall education level of the workforce

No, it really can't. If your entire workforce has the equivalent of a bachelors degree, "unskilled labor" does not accurately describe any part of it. It would be like changing the definition of slavery to mean "Tipped employees who sign NDAs." It's a semantic device purely for political ends.

Okay, but then why do people in difficult to replace jobs - like teachers and farmers - barely make a living? I cannot see any other reason than the constant propaganda that those job require no brain (which is the opposite of true at that).

Average US teachers had a salary of $72k for the 2023–2024 school year (and public sector jobs in general don't follow normal incentives). Farmers also tend to do decently financially, with the median US farm household having a higher income than the median US household. 1/

It should be noted though that "farmer" can mean lots of different things to different people, which can skew statistics depending on the definition used. Small farms often lose money, but they are also often side gigs for hobby/tax purposes of people who have a well-paying primary job. 2/

Plus, in certain low-salary sections, employees are hard to replace even though they don't need much training in advance. I know that from personal experience in the construction sector - nobody wants to do the job, so there is demand but no supply. Replaceable on paper, yes, in practice... no...

Also, many construction-related jobs require one to complete some sort of apprenticeship or other training program before you can perform them independently, and so involve skilled labor

Yes, skilled/unskilled is far from the only factor involved, and certain types of "unskilled" labor demands a salary premium due to being otherwise undesirable relative to other options

Critics of this would say that the market determins your value regardless of skill or effort, and they'd be right. But the obvious thing they miss is that people simply having the ability to survive and not be in abject poverty isnt a choice we should leave to markets. Human life has a base value.

One could argue that a truly free market would not have workers willing to subject themselves to such conditions because competition would allow competitive wages, which corporatization has stifled globally. If only regulations weren't driven by profits in favor of corporations, against individuals

Yes, if the regulatory agencies did their jobs more and we had real anti-trust enforcement and more oversight of the big investment & vc firms, harsher union busting penalties, etc.. we might see more power for labor but the amount of $$ flowing to influence our officials is hard to overcome.

If only the people critical of the sentiment in the original post could understand this complexity and vote in people who would crack down on those abuses instead of someone who spent his life abusing them himself.

If it’s a myth, they could demand higher wages. I mean, why does an accountant demand a higher wage than a barista? Cause it takes 4+ years to train a junior accountant, and we can train a barista in a week.

Easy. Jobs. Because any job that you don’t need prior training/experience to get, is going to train you on the job. The argument is very simple. The phrase “unskilled labor” insinuates that the only way your skills count is if you paid to attain them as opposed to being paid to do so. Nonsense.

How should we distinguish these kinds of jobs from the ones that don't train you? Like the ones where you really need an education? Like engineering or software development?

You DON'T. Everyone knows what a software engineer is. What everyone DOESN'T know is how good any particular software engineer is. If I hire a kid right out of high school and start training him as an engineer, he's an engineer. So is the 30 year veteran with a PhD.

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Eh, kinda? Unions provide better products as the unions expect better of and better train union members. Capitalism trains people for one day then sends them into the trenches for chicken scratch. Only to tell the survivors “nah”. #WorkingClassSolidarity✊🏽🌹 #PowerIsProletariat

Did a research paper on retail stress and found a study that compared old retail to new retail. Claim was that old retail required people skills to sell, while new retail is unskilled. As a former retail manager, this is wrong. You need DIFFERENT skills now, mainly tech knowledge and multitasking.

America: Created a public education system to guarantee every person living in it has a decent level of math, reading and science skills by the time they're 18 Also America: "Most of us have bo skills and that's really depressing."

It’s not really a trait of Capitalism but of bad managers. Most Capitalists view productivity incentives as being profit maximizing. Workers at 60% output aren’t as profitable as workers motivated to give 95%

I once watched someone on tiktok live streaming their work at a fastfood make table. Whoever said that shit is unskilled can go do it and tell me how they feel about it. Then go tell me how they feel after their second job. Because you gotta make ends meet with at least 2.

At sixteen I learned to do it in a few hours, I learned to do it really well within a few months. Having done it I will say it's not skilled work (at least not relative to the whole job market). Your second job point is valid though. It's hard work and can be proper graft and deserves a living wage.

(Not that any harassment or general assault is good. Even if some ppl definitely deserve multiple ass whoopings). Most of the shitty things happen to Wyt ppl are usually due to other richer Wyt ppl or genuinely bad ppl w/ Money (if they happen to be Black, Asian, etc). Not reflective of a culture.

-Since it doesn't affect the one making the changes and signing the checks. Especially since it's well known Wyt ppl still make a percentage more than non-Wyt ppl. And the harassment and assault rate is higher for others than them in schools and places of employment w/ or w/o big diversity numbers.-

All Facts. It doesn't matter if you're a factory worker, teacher, janitor, etc. It's always the basically faceless wealthiest ones at the top who decide to shortchange and abuse their workers. Blaming anyone like women, non-White people, or the LGBTQ doesn't mean a damn thing.-

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I think the guy who made this comic is a naive fool, (going off of his other comics) but this is very true, except for one part. "Unskilled labor" is used on the wrong people. It should refer to CEOs and executives who do almost nothing and make millions

There is no such thing as unskilled labor Every job requires some skill Some require very little skill some requires much more & many jobs are in between No one walks into a restaurant and starts working without training. FUCKING NO ONE! Even if they have years cooking, they'll still get trained

This is just people getting mad at terminology. "Unskilled labor" is any work that can be learned quickly. It's not "designed" to "keep you down". It's labour that is worth less money because it's easily replaced and easily available.

If jobs were unskilled, no one would be trained to do them. People could just do. Every job I've ever had working in either retail or restaurants trains people. Some do a better job of it than others. There's low skill and high skill and jobs in between . No such thing as unskilled.

That's just it: even the "low skill" jobs require at least a high school diploma to do. Did we all just somehow FORGET all the shit we had to do to pass high school? Algebra/Trig? Precalc? Chemistry, physics, english/world lit, essay writing, standardized tests...

It’s also a good bit when conservatives say this because their identities usually stem from being work class joes. Honestly the fact that the wealthy elite have done such a good job of convincing republicans to vote against their own interests is top tier evil genius shit

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I use to work with a wonderful woman who was an immigrant from the Middle East. She had been a doctor in her country but here she was working in a call center while she went back to school at night, because the US doesn’t allow medical licenses to be transferred from other countries except a few.

She was having to take her entire education OVER to be able to practice medicine here. Even though she had already done the work. That includes internship and residency. There should be tests to qualify them in their new country.

I have a video on my profile about the sheer level these immigrants do lettuce from picking to packing and boxing right in the field. If the gringos here think they can, no. I worked in a meat packing company. The immigrants there work so fast you can’t see their hands. I did receiving there.

So the entire C-suite is unskilled. Most office jobs are entirely unskilled. Hell, even a lot of medical jobs only have a short bit of on the job training. This is such a genuinely asinine take that it'd almost be impressive if it weren't so pitiful.

immigrants that probably still didn't learn English yet brought over knowledge on farming, engineering, architecture, medicine, cooking, fashion, etc. hell, they built many of the UNESCO heritage sites in this country (several churches in Baltimore alone).

TRUE - labor is the value of capitalism, labor works and real wealth is held by the keeper of the tools. If wealth was wise it would supply the needs of labor, freely.