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If you are cis ("not transgender") I need to explain this to you. Bluesky today posted this vague thread, announcing-without-spelling-out that they're allowing a writer, net troll and anti-trans activist named Jesse Singal to stay on the platform, despite every trans user saying it makes us unsafe.

Bluesky Safety@safety.bsky.app

In the past month alone, over 12M people joined Bluesky, with daily active users growing 10x. We received more reports in two days than in all of last year, and have integrated new systems and quadrupled our moderation team to try and keep up. Sometimes, we have to work quickly to correct errors.

This is the heart of the thread: They're looking at the one specific rules violation Singal is being reported for *currently*. And they're saying, this doesn't count as a rules violation, because he was careful enough to stay within the strict lines of the rule as written.

Bluesky Safety@safety.bsky.app

We do not currently take action on accounts that share Bluesky screenshots with commentary, unless that commentary violates our Guidelines. We will take action when someone's private information is shared without their consent, but only when it is personally identifiable and verifiable in-app.

This misunderstands the issue, and is a fundamental error in moderation philosophy. The problem isn't any specific rule violation—Singal is skilled in "I'm-not-touching-you" harassment and will follow rules if you write them. The problem is the overall effect on the site Singal's presence will have.

Glenn White@justicar.xyz

This is Truth. Capital T. As such, you don't ban on RULES. You ban on the spirit of them. The philosophy behind them. Rules lawyers, by definition, are trying to break the rules. Ban them.

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This is, incidentally, why the first rule in my Discord server is "don't be a dick," and the second is, "mods reserve the right to determine whether or not you're being a dick." Gives us broad leeway to say, "yeah, you technically stayed within Rule 5, but your behavior was still wrong."

No, it doesn’t. Dude is violating the spirit of the rules. Not the rules as written. There is no “rules as written” he won’t follow. He’ll follow whatever rules you have. But it won’t keep him from violating the spirit of the rules. He should be banned. Period.

Yes. (PS, because Internet tone is confusing sometimes, I want to be *totally* clear— my post was saying *Bluesky's* stance misunderstands the issue, and cosigning your point.)

Thank you. I was confused for a moment. I thought we were aligned, but wanted to clarify in case I somehow wasn’t clear in my point. And yes, Bluesky’s stance is definitely wrong here.

Yeah, I think (I hope) it's clear in the context of the thread why I quoted you, but when I got your reply I realized what that post by itself probably looked like in your notifications feed and was like "Oh no"

You have to understand the context. The context is that there is an organized, anonymous group, centered around a site named "Kiwifarms", that has as a goal driving trans people to suicide. Singal is *currently* describing himself as working with this group as part of his operations on the site.

Rudy Fraser@rude1.blacksky.team

I’ve been giving folks grace and professional courtesy around this. But IMO this post alone should warrant an account, PDS level takedown, perma ban. I know the core mod team is aware of Kiwi Farms as @blacksky.app has received dozens of reports ourselves. And @safety.bsky.app takes those down

Sorry for the random reply, but I'm trying to remember: doesn't the protocol or at least Blue sky allow you to view posts through the filter of different moderation services? Which is why there are more reporting options than just the bsky safety team url.

It would help depending on the circumstances of how that feature works. It could also be unhelpful too, but I don't know. That's why I asked for clarification on that system. These days I typically try to understand how a system works before I formulate an opinion on it.

Hi. Yes, that's a planned feature, and it's *interesting*— features like this would have made Twitter a better place— but I don't think it's an adequate solution in this case. There are a few basic problems with the idea, one being bsky mod services work for *incoming* posts, but not for *outgoing*.

Because bluesky is an open system, it's actually a little *more* harassment-friendly than Twitter. There's no private accounts, and the site is designed to be "scraped" (if you sign up as a Relay, you get a firehose of ALL posts, including the "web-only" ones). It's easy to monitor people.

I need a bit more explanation. I'm reading the screenshot and I cannot figure out how it applies to the situation. Like, Is it true that Singal post have had technical issues? The explanation doesn't make technical sense... Is that a lie to justify painting target on an innocent victim?

Oh, uh, so the context there was that someone somewhere figured out that you could set your username to some sort of invalid value that would cause bluesky threads to crash. And they started replying to all of Singal's threads with that username, so that nobody could read Singal's threads.

Eventually bluesky figured this out and addressed the problem. But before that, Singal apparently found a workaround… given to him by, he says, KF.

I was iffy on this -I think Signal is loathsome but at the same time I really hate "cancellation" and want people who I find loathsome here as long as they abide by the rules - until I found out kiwifarms are involved. Terrorist organization, they act in bad faith every time and only want to kill.

Ok, I hadn't got to this point yet. But is there any other concrete evidence to tie this person to this kind of group and actually ban them? (Never heard of this term regarding pro harm groups)

Kiwifarm has been shut for a while. It started as something like voyeur fetich of sorts but quickly it became a way to bully mainly trans ppl. It has been blocked by the most absolutist neutral insentão entity of the internet, Cloudflare

It's not really that easy to kill an internet community, there are lots of ways for a userbase to coordinate and shift platforms if one shuts down. If KF were actually gone, I wouldn't have been getting ppl trying to follow me with Kiwifarms header images in the last few weeks

Singal himself, as a writer, has been waging an escalating war on trans existence, launching from a 2018 Atlantic cover story that outed and misgendered its cover subject. He specializes in swaying "liberals" and centrists, targeting them with the wedge strategy of "well I support trans people BUT—"

them.usTrans Cover Model Discusses Being Misgendered and Outed by "The Atlantic"Mina Brewster’s photo was used for a widely-maligned 2018 Atlantic cover story about trans youth. He says “it pretty much outed me.”

Despite the oh-so-reasonable face he presents in his writing, if you run into him online he's a terror. It's easy to find stories of online critics of his who found their workplaces contacted demanding retribution. Singal openly states he's on Bluesky to "colonize" it. With, I guess, Kiwifarms users

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TLDR: Bluesky is, right now, a relatively safe and usable place for trans people. Jesse Singal is on this site with the goal of changing that, as I interpret his own words. The Bluesky staff, by saying they won't take action unless he breaks a specific rule, are saying they're just fine with that.