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If you are cis ("not transgender") I need to explain this to you. Bluesky today posted this vague thread, announcing-without-spelling-out that they're allowing a writer, net troll and anti-trans activist named Jesse Singal to stay on the platform, despite every trans user saying it makes us unsafe.

Bluesky Safety@safety.bsky.app

In the past month alone, over 12M people joined Bluesky, with daily active users growing 10x. We received more reports in two days than in all of last year, and have integrated new systems and quadrupled our moderation team to try and keep up. Sometimes, we have to work quickly to correct errors.

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I know this must have been as heart-wrenching for you as it was time-consuming. I appreciate you bringing attention to this issue. I know I personally wouldn't have known otherwise. Keep up the good work, my friend. Your efforts are not in vain.

Thank you for the information. I never heard of the guy before: found him, noticed many blocked posts from content moderation I follow, and noticed a serious passive/aggressive vibe from him. I blocked the guy, recommend everyone to block, and I'll leave it at that.

I feel like there's only one reason they would continue to prioritize this one damn guy over half a user base, and that's that there's some legal Sword of Damocles in play here that will fall on T&S if they do the slightest thing to disturb it.

Sorry that happened! I think people are a little on edge. Ppl are scared about the deteriorating political situation for trans people in the US and UK, and a lot of people on this site (rightly, IMO) assign much of the blame for how much worse things have gotten in the US to Singal and his campaign.

Not just that, but many bigots will defend their behavior under the guise of "just asking questions". Engaging with that tactic is rather destructive, so its best to ignore/block. Unfortunately, that means asking an honest question can get caught in the crossfire

The more you try to fight them, the more ammo you give them."See how I'm being attacked for my views!!!" It's an endless game of wackamole. Ultimately Blueskys goal is to make money, not protect minorities. Be prepared to jump ship the minute you see it sinking.

yeah, this is why the solution is to deny the thing oxygen, rather than to let the fire burn and pour one little cup of water on it at a time

Unfortunately as social media platforms grow they will attract shitheads that will straddle the line to do as much damage as they can while staying with in the rules. It's really the nature of the beast. The best strategy is to starve the beast. Block and do not engage.

There have been attempts to put the theory into practice: Catalonia, Algeria, Yugoslavia. None far-reaching enough. One might start by reading Murray Bookchin, then Daniel DeLeon. In the BlueSky context, it would mean giving all of us who create the product a meaningful voice, not just complaining.

*thinks* Well, I think part of what is going wrong with bluesky is a deep strain of philosophical anarcho-libertarianism, but… uh, ok wait, you might be right that syndicalism has a solution?? I don't know anything about it?? I guess i need to read more Theory??!

Nothing happened. Bluesky Safety is still clammed up. The asshole hasn't left… though, I'm told he's expressed frustration that he can't get traction with so many people blocking him, and he has apparently opined that this indicates a serious problem with site culture (?)

What I can’t understand is why the bsky team is burning so much goodwill for this seemingly nobody that is jesse signal… obviously parts of the team want him gone (since they banned him twice), but it seems some higher ups really dont want it. Maybe affraid of Gov repercussions next year?

I wish that I had an answer to this. :( I link a petition at the end of the thread… but I'm not sure that adding numbers to the petition makes any more difference than just talking about it on Bluesky, which is to say, it only makes a difference if Bluesky Social (the company) wants it to.

I don't understand why they insist on dropping the ball like this when they planned on monetizing in some way soon. If they don't have it in them to care about the safety of trans people you'd think they would at least have financial sense.

Blocking might work if he was just a random troll, but he's the type of guy that will coordinate with others to get around blocks and then organize hate mobs both on-site and off-site as retribution. Note the part where if you disagree with him he's liable to try to get you fired from your job.

As a response, is it ok if I link this thread I wrote after? The short version is "he's actively recruiting new toxic people to the site, and I probably can't block all of them". bsky.app/profile/drya...

mcc@dryad.technology

In 2014 I was a Twitter user. There was a pretty healthy little trans community there, we kept to ourselves, no one bothered us. Then a group called "gamergate" started targeting "sjw"s on the site, starting with my friends in indie games. Suddenly my community was targeted by swarms of sockpuppets…

This is the heart of the thread: They're looking at the one specific rules violation Singal is being reported for *currently*. And they're saying, this doesn't count as a rules violation, because he was careful enough to stay within the strict lines of the rule as written.

Bluesky Safety@safety.bsky.app

We do not currently take action on accounts that share Bluesky screenshots with commentary, unless that commentary violates our Guidelines. We will take action when someone's private information is shared without their consent, but only when it is personally identifiable and verifiable in-app.

But you can have private profiles, or public ones blocking non logged user visualization (enforcement of blocking rules), moderation lists, simple mutes, and simple blocks. Isn't it enough? (Don't even know who the cited person in question is, this is a genuine curiosity)

Private profiles aren't a thing on here, and the person cited is specifically posting screenshots of users who *have* blocked him to incite his thousands of followers to dogpile It is not enough

I haven't seen this regarding private profiles because here I've never needed it. But one thing you can always do is to block logged out visibility and always block profiles using moderation lists. It helps. In this case, private profiles are really missing...

It’s kind of the difference between being able to lock your house and living in a place where stabbings don’t happen. You can isolate yourself to stay safe-ish but ultimately if it’s dangerous out there’s only so much you can limit your exposure to it.

Yeah, but to add to your point: the military dictatorship here in Brazil citizen to citizen violence was pretty low also. This had a cost. That is my point.

So it's true that Bluesky has better personal safety tools than Twitter (although you *can't* actually have private profiles on bluesky… if I'm not mistaken you have a private profile so just to warn you, it is not doing quite what you probably think it is)

But in the end it just can't be enough to protect you if a harassment culture develops for the site at large. You can't solve a social/cultural problem with technical solutions. And if you have a determined adversary willing to do things like make dupe accounts, they can overcome your tools.

In a much smaller scale: We had to ban somebody once in a discord server. They didn't break any rules, But everybody was just avoiding open channels bc of them. Mods included. So we just sent them out. We made the rules to keep the server alive, we could change them to keep it alive.

This misunderstands the issue, and is a fundamental error in moderation philosophy. The problem isn't any specific rule violation—Singal is skilled in "I'm-not-touching-you" harassment and will follow rules if you write them. The problem is the overall effect on the site Singal's presence will have.

Glenn White@justicar.xyz

This is Truth. Capital T. As such, you don't ban on RULES. You ban on the spirit of them. The philosophy behind them. Rules lawyers, by definition, are trying to break the rules. Ban them.

This is, incidentally, why the first rule in my Discord server is "don't be a dick," and the second is, "mods reserve the right to determine whether or not you're being a dick." Gives us broad leeway to say, "yeah, you technically stayed within Rule 5, but your behavior was still wrong."

No, it doesn’t. Dude is violating the spirit of the rules. Not the rules as written. There is no “rules as written” he won’t follow. He’ll follow whatever rules you have. But it won’t keep him from violating the spirit of the rules. He should be banned. Period.

Yes. (PS, because Internet tone is confusing sometimes, I want to be *totally* clear— my post was saying *Bluesky's* stance misunderstands the issue, and cosigning your point.)

You have to understand the context. The context is that there is an organized, anonymous group, centered around a site named "Kiwifarms", that has as a goal driving trans people to suicide. Singal is *currently* describing himself as working with this group as part of his operations on the site.

Rudy Fraser@rude1.blacksky.team

I’ve been giving folks grace and professional courtesy around this. But IMO this post alone should warrant an account, PDS level takedown, perma ban. I know the core mod team is aware of Kiwi Farms as @blacksky.app has received dozens of reports ourselves. And @safety.bsky.app takes those down

Sorry for the random reply, but I'm trying to remember: doesn't the protocol or at least Blue sky allow you to view posts through the filter of different moderation services? Which is why there are more reporting options than just the bsky safety team url.

I need a bit more explanation. I'm reading the screenshot and I cannot figure out how it applies to the situation. Like, Is it true that Singal post have had technical issues? The explanation doesn't make technical sense... Is that a lie to justify painting target on an innocent victim?

I was iffy on this -I think Signal is loathsome but at the same time I really hate "cancellation" and want people who I find loathsome here as long as they abide by the rules - until I found out kiwifarms are involved. Terrorist organization, they act in bad faith every time and only want to kill.

Ok, I hadn't got to this point yet. But is there any other concrete evidence to tie this person to this kind of group and actually ban them? (Never heard of this term regarding pro harm groups)

Singal himself, as a writer, has been waging an escalating war on trans existence, launching from a 2018 Atlantic cover story that outed and misgendered its cover subject. He specializes in swaying "liberals" and centrists, targeting them with the wedge strategy of "well I support trans people BUT—"

them.usTrans Cover Model Discusses Being Misgendered and Outed by "The Atlantic"Mina Brewster’s photo was used for a widely-maligned 2018 Atlantic cover story about trans youth. He says “it pretty much outed me.”