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“He takes your punishment upon Himself.” Cool. Quick question: Who exactly is punishing us? Christianity: God creates the rules, decides you’ve broken them, sentences you to eternal punishment, then offers to save you from the punishment he created.

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Me too. I was a voracious reader, had the reading age of an adult at 10. I read all of the Bible when I was 13. I found it boring, repetitious and violent. It didn’t seem logical at all- Eden, Noah, etc and I concluded it was a collection of short stories by ancient writers trying to explain events.

You read the Bible at 13? Holy cow! I just read it a few years back cover to cover and massive cognitive dissonance - which I could not reconcile - turned me from Christian to atheist. I could barely get through it as an adult. And definitely agree with your assessment. 

Who gave Chrisitians, never mind layman conceptions, a monopoly here? It also doesn't *have* to be permanent, though in some cases "until your victims feel you've suffered enough for what you did" (which is a fair criterion at least for the perpetrators of atrocities) may effectively be forever.

Not according to my evangelical BIL. The threat of hell isn't over being a bad person. You can spend all your time, energy, and money feeding the poor and it wont help you. OTOH you can be a serial killer and if you only accept Jesus you will go to heaven.

Yes, this is exactly what evangelicals are teaching. They love the absolute freedom to be horrible, just by saying Jesus is their saviour. They argue that “deeds” won’t lead to eternal salvation, only accepting Jesus will. Meanwhile they ask for money constantly. Nice drug.

they are LITERALLY lunatics.. pathetic gullible lunatics.. unfortunately, they have an outsized impact on objective reality and demand we join them in their infantile delusion..🤬

hahaha! my 2yr old grand daughter was a sweet lil angel.. fast forward to 3yr old her, she became a text book example of oppositional defiance disorder!🙃 fortunately, she's mellowing out in her old age as she approaches 4yrs old!🙃

And Eve ate the apple and God was like "Shit! My bad. Nah, don't you worry about it love. Should have seen it coming tbh. I forgive you" And God expelled himself from Eden and wondered the land asking' himself where did it all go wrong?' and 'did I miss a bit in the small print or sum'in?'

Yesterday there were people promoting their religion in Oxford City Centre as they often do and one of them said, "Jesus will save you," And a guy walking by says "I saved me," and good for that guy.

God isn't the problem with religion. Organized religion is the problem. God gave us teachings to follow to make ourselves better human beings. Organized religion stole the idea to try to control how we behave and take our money.

Founded by shepherds, keepers of the flock. Who will take care of all of you sheep and lead you to green pastures and still water. Then He will shear you and slaughter your lambs and eat them.

Gotta love that conclusion “you’ll be allowed to go your own way” - casually leaving out that the only option for “your own way” is a lake of fire & eternal torture. Lovely!

We are. We punish ourselves every day, with the burden of jackass stupidity. Every day, we cry what a better world we could be if we weren’t so determined to be jackass stupid, and yet we not only do nothing about it, we jack our asses even HARDER at it. If only there was a plan for how not to…. 🤔

Ahhh, so THAT's where "investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing" came from. Well, that's it then. Law enforcement is simply doing God's Will. Yeah, we're fucked!😒

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Nobody would ever get away with making stuff up from any other book! Try "War and Peace", for example. Nobody will accept that Napoleon won! "Jane Eyre": Reader, I didn't marry him!

Hilarious! Christians are so afraid God will not do they right thing that they scream around telling everyone....things they want god to think.

Giving options of obedience or eternal torment isn't a choice or free will. It's coercion. Actions made under duress aren't free. You're right that we choose how to treat others, though. Your actions toward another is your decision alone.

Redemption? As in "obedience" to God's call for repentance & obeying God's demand to have faith in him/Christ to be saved? Or else go to hell. Heaven or Hell...the only 2 choices. Again, "obey or torment" isn't free will or a choice. It's coercion by an alleged all-powerful being.

Also, he doesnt actually take the punishment, really. I still get to suffer, but I can choose to believe my punisher is proud of me. Did i get that right?

Entrapment is also a thing for it. It created the tree of knowledge. Made it the most beautiful tree in the garden. Placed it in the center of the garden. Had it bear fruit and then made a rule against eating the fruit. .

The illogical construct of that proposition is something only a conservative mind can conjure up. BTW, this thing about God promising Israel the land that is the home of Palestine! I would be demanding that Israeli’s show me proof that God gave it to them otherwise kick them off. 

How about the fact that monotheistic religions aren’t very old?!?!? Before that, humans believed in 100s of different Gods. But, now, 3 of hundreds of religions believe this one, he’s the real deal…. And a bunch of people call each other enemies for believing in that one differently. 🫠🫩🤮

It totally cracks me up. I’m to believe that God gave us 10 rules we can't break to get into heaven, and then he sent his only son to Earth to tell us that it's okay to break those rules as long as we say ‘whoopsie I’m sorry.’ I really wish we were getting punk’d. Like REALLY, REALLY wish it 🥺