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Blame the romans for adding january and february

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blame caesar

It was alright before Julius Ceasar and Augustus decided to add a month each... blame the Italians...

No it wouldn't. Then you just get 1 month 10 month 11 month 12 month 2 month 3 month

Can someone write an RFC to migrate to something sensible? This explanation seems to track with wikipedia and other sources: youtu.be/Y9iOt48bTw4?...

It is infuriating

Romans had spectacularly large egos.

September + 2, October + 2, November + 2, December + 2 ?

Whoever was in charge of naming February never addressed the “Looks like a typo here” comment on the pull request.

July and August weren't inserted into the calendar -- they were just renamed from, I don't know, Quinquember and Sexember or something. And good job too. Be grateful that Tiberius didn't follow suit or it would be a trend, and we'd have ended up with Tibember, Caligulober and Claudember! [4/4]

September month since the Vernal equinox, with March being counted as month one. If you want a case of technical debt naming conventions look at our system for star classifications.

October needs to be descoped

the gregorian calendar is kinda in ktlo right now smh

it's because of 2 Roman emperors ... they introduced July and August into them ix.

Oh god. I won't unsee this for the rest of my life now. i hate this

T'is mere a legacy code

DNA, sloppy random software, with the ultimate beta testers.

The third month should be Marge.

It used to be the seventh month. The new year used to be in March around the first day of spring

At least they're consistent thrift the end of the year.

www.theguardian.com/notesandquer...

More like Dodecember, amirite?

It was actually King Pompilius some 700 years earlier who added Jan and Feb but didn’t change the names of the others. The Julian reforms were to make the system work (365+1 leap) Coincidentally pompilius is the term I use to describe extra-pompous people who correct others’ posts. Sorry. 😔 🙏💙🙏

That said, @bretdevereaux.bsky.social explained on the other site that this isn't quite right — it's not that Julius & Augustus added months, they just renamed Quintilis and Sextilis. The numbering's messed up because the Romans moved the new year from March to January (for a very silly reason).

I'm pretty sure they added months to "better aline with the rotation of the earth" or something, because October was they 8th month once upon a time

Can you open a ticket to have the solution be 13 months of 28 days with double Saturday once a year? I’ll add it to the next sprint

This is gold.

…because the Pontifex Maximus hadn’t done his job of updating the calendar for years. And the Pontifex Maximus was Julius Caesar himself, since he was off campaigning in Gaul (France). Moral of the story: don’t mix religion and politics.

It’s worse than that. During the civil war in the late Roman Republic, Julius Caesar’s enemies tried crossing the Adriatic and all their ships were destroyed in the choppy waters. Because the seasons had shifted relative to the calendar by over a month, further into winter than anyone realized…

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No, they changed it before Caesar was even born because they needed to go suppress a rebellion in Spain and they really couldn’t wait for the year to start in March (according to Livy) 😅 “OK guys, it’s New Year already. Give me my legions!”

This makes sense for two more reasons. 1) it sticks the leap day (29 Feb) at the end of the year. Making it easier to understand what day of the week any date falls in any year; and 2) spring (in the north hemisphere, autumn in the south) represents the start of the year. Simplifies the calendar

Okay. I only have a superficial familiarity with Roman history outside of their invasions of the territories of my ancestors (even that doesn't reach much past the surface). I guess I saw two groups of things that happened to months, then jumped to the conclusion that they were related. Mea culpa.

It used to be the seventh month, but then they changed the calender and added more to base it off of the seasons.

i’m like a whole day late with the joke aren’t i i’ll show myself out

Maybe the year used to start in March?

Good news: the guy responsible was stabbed as part of a barely-functional team project.

To be fair, it made a lot more sense when the year "started" at the equinox in mid-March. That also put the runty month of February at the end of the year. Which is of course what you meant by "technical debt." Why did it change? I don't remember. Most people don't even know there was a change.

And 29 February is a bug

You know this tech debt is never getting resolved. Its just going to get black holed in jira as "dev no sla" till the heat death of the universe

Julius and Augustus deprived us from having "Sextember" and should never be forgiven for it

Working on 10 year old corporate code is already pain, I don't think anyone wants to mess with 2000+ years old code

I know English is the least coherent legacy language in existence, but I have my whole business application suite built on it, not to mention my socials and my children. For God's sake tell me it's not going ex support...

of course. The year used to start on 1st of March. Then "Sept"ember is 7th, "Oct"ober is 8, "Nov"ember is 9, "Dec"ember is 10. And Februar got the rest of the unused days, 28 or sometimes 29. Totally logical.

The Gregorian calendar still running HP/UX probably.

September used to be the 7th month until the romans wanted 2 more months named after Julius (July) and Augustus (august).

Oh come on you really wanna delve into datetimes? And possibly timezones. Makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Interesting! 7th not 9th!

Put a ticket in the backlog

Technical debt? Blame it on leadership as usual. It was all nice until Julius decided to insert a month in his name (July) and then Augustus Cesar couldn't be outdone and added August. This pushed the whole mess forward. Today they'd just do a reorg and lay off a few thousand people.

And somehow the 10th month goes backwards to “oct”?????

That was the best, or at least the most fun, use of the term technical debt that I've heard in my lifetime. We can now retire the term. 👍

I wish that's all my tech debt entailed

Hear me out...what if the months were actually supposed to align with the solar calendar. So the beginning of the year would be in March (spring solstice) and the EOY is February, signaling the end of winter? Eh, eh? Then our seasons wouldn't be cut off! That'd be great honestly ☺️

Omg I’ve been saying this.

Ditto October, November, and December