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Alex McRoberts
@alex.mcroberts.me

I've had an idea around this area for the past 18 years, and I've never figured a way to crack the nut open. I think you're on to a few key ideas with the twenty cent article, that's where I've been focused on a lot of my thinking.

Joe Basser
@joebasser.com

Dare I say...micropayments.... Such a tough nut to crack, but I think the timing might finally be right with SaaS/subscription fatigue, open payment rail regulatory maturity and permmissioned data on atproto.

brendan
@schlage.town

Yesss love it, I do! (And want all y'all to make $ here too in all sorts of ways!) Pairs pretty well with my recent post/talk, I kept it high level & didn't get into monetization details, this is really good & I want to explore lots of what you talk about around $ interop and permissioned data

brendan@schlage.town

My talk from last month's @atproto.nyc, on Atmospheric Stacks! How the Atmosphere can compete with incumbents like Substack — not by recreating 'em app for app, but by replacing 'em collectively, as an ecosystem. With @leaflet.pub & @standard.site as case study + expanded with a few *addenda* :)

scraps.schlage.townOn Atmospheric Stacks…Or, how we can supplant Substack and take back the stack, together as an ecosystem!
Joe Basser
@joebasser.com

Definitely pairs well! I love the notion of stacks. I should’ve mentioned your post in there, might squeeze it in. I have a lot more to talk about RE spaces and payments - veryyyy soon

brendan
@schlage.town

Niceee may be some time til I can dig in more (out on parental leave starting now) but hope you can jam on all this w/ Jared & Celine soon :D

Scoiattolo
@scarnecchia.net

> Does a moderation service need to operate alongside a client, AppView, ad network, or marketplace so the value it creates becomes economically legible? I know moderation for communities is on Bluesky and @brittanyellich.com's mind, but I don't know if they've thought much about the inverse case.

Scoiattolo
@scarnecchia.net

It might be too intrinsically tied to the AppView in its current form to allow moderation services to be permissioned, paid services. Worth thinking about though!

Joe Basser
@joebasser.com

Yeah my thoughts exactly - what I'm alluding to with the 'collective markets'. Seems like the AppView allows for a viable product and moderation is part of making that product valuable.

Ariel M. (she/her)
@byarielm.fyi

From you I was curious if you’d thought about it wrt like, technical feasibility, I guess? Like users can subscribe to any labeler to see the labels. Could the ability to see those labels be gated on membership into a member space? (I have yet to fully read the diaries or start a labeler yet lol)

Trezy
@trezy.codes

Ah, that's a good question, but I don't think so? AFAICT, apps typically cache the labels emitted by a labeler. When a user subscribes to a labeler, the app will then decided to show the labels from that labeler to the user. I don't think there's an opportunity for spaces to be injected there.

Kevin Koperski
@kk.social

Loved this post. For it to work, don't you need to track which app/service created a record? If an app provides discovery to standard site publications but writes a generic standard site sub record, there's no way to identify who generated the subscription. How can you share the payment?

Joe Basser
@joebasser.com

We know who creates what content, i think the downstream relationships can be figured out by knowing where a transaction occurs and what services grant entitlements based on those transactions. Great question!

Joe Basser
@joebasser.com

I’m thinking more along the lines of knowing which services capture value - something that is much easier to record through the proposed payment layer. More to come @atmosphere.money ! You’re right right now there’s no uniform created by pointer, but that’s possible too!

Kevin Koperski
@kk.social

I'm new to all this and still learning. I imagine it's been discussed by smarter people. I'm just craving some sort of createdBy-type pointer to whichever service or app generated the record. Would need verification, which complicates matters, but it seems necessary for splitting payments?